On 8/3/11 8:08 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/3/2011 6:28 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/2/11 10:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:20:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry
stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll
compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches
for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I don't anticipate any serious ongoing maintenance problems after the
pavers are installed. One of my long-time friends who lives in Old Town,
Alexandria, has a house built just after the Civil War that features a
brick patio put in at the same time the house was built. The patio is
brick on sand. It still looks good. Once in a while he gets a little
moss between some of the joints. The moss just adds to the character of
the patio.

Like that little fringe of hair that circles that pumpkin like head of
yours. Adds character indeed.


Actually, I have more than a little fringe up there...but what I have is
a lot better than the hair still stuck between your teeth from your days
servicing sailors in the shipboard showers, eh?

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On 8/3/2011 8:11 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/3/11 8:08 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/3/2011 6:28 AM, X - Man wrote:
On 8/2/11 10:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:20:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:32:49 -0400, X -
wrote:


I'm going to put a stone paver patio in under part of the deck at the
rear of the house. About 130 square feet. Going to use J.P. Henry
stone.

The rough part is excavating out about 7" of compacted soil, so I'm
going to contract that out. The rest is a lot of work, but not
back-breaking...layer of geo textile, 4" to 5" of base that I'll
compact
with a rental compactor, then an inch of sand as a screening bed, and
then the pavers. Also have to rent a ditch witch to dig 50' trenches
for
two downspouts and a trench for electrical conduit for wiring to
power
up a fountain.

But not until the temps drop.

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I don't anticipate any serious ongoing maintenance problems after the
pavers are installed. One of my long-time friends who lives in Old Town,
Alexandria, has a house built just after the Civil War that features a
brick patio put in at the same time the house was built. The patio is
brick on sand. It still looks good. Once in a while he gets a little
moss between some of the joints. The moss just adds to the character of
the patio.

Like that little fringe of hair that circles that pumpkin like head of
yours. Adds character indeed.


Actually, I have more than a little fringe up there...but what I have is
a lot better than the hair still stuck between your teeth from your days
servicing sailors in the shipboard showers, eh?


How much fringe do you actually have up there, Mr Magoo. I'll bet you
got that way from those burly bricklayers patting the top of your head
while you thanked in your own special way. Between you and the missus
you must have satisfied the entire DC area brick laying gang.

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:00:48 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:37:31 -0700, jps wrote:

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I guess that is OK if you like pulling weeds.

Glad you understood that I meant to write "weed block."

No, don't like pulling weeds but it's amazingly easy with the weed
block in there. Roots and all come up easily and nothing that
requires a tap root will grow through the block. Most offenders have
surface roots and are pulled up easily.

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On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:18:24 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:00:48 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:37:31 -0700, jps wrote:

We have about 2000 square feet of quartzite granite stone in the
screen cage and around the yard. It is over concrete tho. Of you just
set stone in the sand you will be fighting grass forever. I suppose if
you don't mind spraying poison around every few months you can hold it
down

We have been doing this over a period of 20 years, a new patch every
few years so it wasn't horrible to do.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...0them%20in.jpg

You can put week block under the sand or gravel base to keep plants at
bay. Anything that does grow is easy to pull.


I guess that is OK if you like pulling weeds.

Glad you understood that I meant to write "weed block."

No, don't like pulling weeds but it's amazingly easy with the weed
block in there. Roots and all come up easily and nothing that
requires a tap root will grow through the block. Most offenders have
surface roots and are pulled up easily.

Pavers are a real popular thing here and my wife has at least an acre
of them around the country club she manages.All the houses she built
had a lot of pavers. That is why I have a brick shed house.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

Weeds do seem to be an issue here.. Weed cloth may help but a lot of
the grassy stuff we have here doesn't seem to need much dirt to grow
in.

The other issue is ants. They really seem to like living under pavers
and they will exploit any little hole they can find in your weed cloth
assuming they don't just chew one. I know it won't stop them.

I suppose living in a place where the ground freezes might mitigate
all of this.


Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have the weeds
licked.

On 8/4/11 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have the weeds
licked.

Interesting idea, as long as you don't have salt water tolerant weeds.

I am looking into doing my yard with Seashore Paspalum grass. My
wife's golf course experimented with it and it was OK there but the
old timer "grass boys" resisted it.

The advantage for me is I could irrigate with tide water and to the
best of my knowledge that is not subject to watering restrictions.
It would be an interesting case if they tried to get me.


Would that make your yard smell like...low tide? :)

Pouring salt on pavers is not a terrific idea. While the typical
efflorescence problems that sometimes occur with brick are based upon
salt leeching out of masonry units and settling on their surface, the
white stuff can also occur because of salt poured on the units and the
water carrying them evaporating. Also, as you know brick are porous, so
the salt can get inside them...and then leech out. There's also a
problem pouring salt on concrete products...it's called secondary
efflorescence.

On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:30:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have the weeds
licked.

Interesting idea, as long as you don't have salt water tolerant weeds.

I am looking into doing my yard with Seashore Paspalum grass. My
wife's golf course experimented with it and it was OK there but the
old timer "grass boys" resisted it.

The advantage for me is I could irrigate with tide water and to the
best of my knowledge that is not subject to watering restrictions.
It would be an interesting case if they tried to get me.

Maybe you can pay for it in quarters? You never responded to my reply,
so I guess you're back in hiding...?

In article ,
says...

On 8/4/11 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have the weeds
licked.

Interesting idea, as long as you don't have salt water tolerant weeds.

I am looking into doing my yard with Seashore Paspalum grass. My
wife's golf course experimented with it and it was OK there but the
old timer "grass boys" resisted it.

The advantage for me is I could irrigate with tide water and to the
best of my knowledge that is not subject to watering restrictions.
It would be an interesting case if they tried to get me.


Would that make your yard smell like...low tide? :)

Pouring salt on pavers is not a terrific idea. While the typical
efflorescence problems that sometimes occur with brick are based upon
salt leeching out of masonry units and settling on their surface, the
white stuff can also occur because of salt poured on the units and the
water carrying them evaporating. Also, as you know brick are porous, so
the salt can get inside them...and then leech out. There's also a
problem pouring salt on concrete products...it's called secondary
efflorescence.

Boy, that spoofer sure knows how to google, eh? You do realize, spoofer,
that there are many, many reasons for efflorescence don't you? And to
address your google cut and paste, there are three things that must
occur to cause a cementitious unit to show signs of efflorescence. One
of those is simply the presence of ALKALI salts. Secondly, enough
moisture to render the salts into a soluble solution. Then, a path to
the surface. Washing pavers once in awhile with salt water will NOT soak
the units enough to do this.

"X - Man" wrote in message
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On 8/4/11 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have the
weeds
licked.

Interesting idea, as long as you don't have salt water tolerant weeds.

I am looking into doing my yard with Seashore Paspalum grass. My
wife's golf course experimented with it and it was OK there but the
old timer "grass boys" resisted it.

The advantage for me is I could irrigate with tide water and to the
best of my knowledge that is not subject to watering restrictions.
It would be an interesting case if they tried to get me.


Would that make your yard smell like...low tide? :)

Pouring salt on pavers is not a terrific idea. While the typical
efflorescence problems that sometimes occur with brick are based upon
salt leeching out of masonry units and settling on their surface, the
white stuff can also occur because of salt poured on the units and the
water carrying them evaporating. Also, as you know brick are porous, so
the salt can get inside them...and then leech out. There's also a
problem pouring salt on concrete products...it's called secondary
efflorescence.


Reply:
His pavers look great, and no weeds. Large driveway. Me, I have a large
patio around the pool and I'm going to try salt, as the weed killer is bad
for the environment and the weeds only die for a couple weeks.

X - Man wrote:
On 8/4/11 12:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:42 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Neighbor uses salt water on his pavers 2x a year and seems to have
the weeds
licked.

Interesting idea, as long as you don't have salt water tolerant weeds.

I am looking into doing my yard with Seashore Paspalum grass. My
wife's golf course experimented with it and it was OK there but the
old timer "grass boys" resisted it.

The advantage for me is I could irrigate with tide water and to the
best of my knowledge that is not subject to watering restrictions.
It would be an interesting case if they tried to get me.


Would that make your yard smell like...low tide? :)

Pouring salt on pavers is not a terrific idea. While the typical
efflorescence problems that sometimes occur with brick are based upon
salt leeching out of masonry units and settling on their surface, the
white stuff can also occur because of salt poured on the units and the
water carrying them evaporating. Also, as you know brick are porous,
so the salt can get inside them...and then leech out. There's also a
problem pouring salt on concrete products...it's called secondary
efflorescence.
Nice Googling, moron!