"Tim" wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 3:14 pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:39:10 -0400, wrote:
The RADAR we had in 1965 probably wasn't as good as what you have on
your trawler today.

No question about it. It would have taken a whole ship full of
electronics to duplicate the functionality, just like with computer
equipment. The CPU power and storage of our three laptops would have
taken an entire large scale data center, and the high speed data
bandwidth that we now take for granted didn't even exist. I had a few
summer jobs with AT&T during he early '60s and 1200 baud was high
speed datacomm at that time.

"...and 1200 baud was high speed datacomm at that time. "

Blinding speed!

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Reply:
I was the maintenance Field Engineer for an on-line data center for banks.
Mid 1960's. Data center located in San Francisco and we had customers from
the Canadian border to Salt Lake City. 110 Baud lease lines.

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Reply:
I was the maintenance Field Engineer for an on-line data center for banks.
Mid 1960's. Data center located in San Francisco and we had customers from
the Canadian border to Salt Lake City. 110 Baud lease lines.

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Sounds like Mod 28 Teletype gear

On 8/19/2011 10:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:47:17 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 01:45:15 -0400, wrote:

Not in International waters when neither boat is restricted. It's the
obligation of the much faster boat to not run over a much slower boat
like a sailboat. The tanker is going, what 30 mph or knots? I doubt a
small sailboat would be able to get out of the way, and I've read
reports where nobody on the tanker is even looking.

Yes Greg, I know that is not your post.

The above statement is total nonsense. Rule 18(b) is identical for
both local and international waters, no difference, nada.

A *large* (tanker/freighter/warship) is always limited in it's ability
to maneuver. It can take two or three miles to turn or stop, which by
anyone's definition is limited.

Just this morning we heard some weenie on a sailboat complaining to
the coast guard on marine VHF radio that a large naval warship coming
out of Naraganset Bay, Rhode Island was not granting right of way to
his sailboat. He was practically laughed off the radio by everyone
who heard the broadcast.

There is nothing anywhere in the Rules of the Road/COLREGS which
discusses the obligations of a so called "larger/faster" vessel.

Meanwhile all of these rules are readily available on the internet
along with definitions, examples, practice questions, etc. Whoever is
posting this drivel (and I can guess), should take some time to study
all of the above and take a course or two before even thinking about
setting foot behind the wheel of a boat.

So, what you're tell us is that with the "always" comment is that you
know very little about boating, which is pretty shocking.

Again, take the case of two tankers. Both see each other on radar, for
example, in international waters, many miles apart. Which one is
"restricted"? Neither. As I've said, and which you've deliberately
ignored is that there is no mention of "size" in 18b. But, you're not
enough of a man to admit that. Neither do you have enough brains to
actually read the rules, apparently.

Here's a little quiz for Deplume. Your radarman reports a blip at 10
miles and bearing 22 degrees. His next fix on the target is 8 miles and
a bearing of 22 degrees. Was happenin Deplume and what actions, if any,
should be taken. Please no comments from the peanut gallery.

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:

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The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't matter if
you are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot of the
time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in an
altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to fault
the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there is no way
in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from of them. Even
if they could have, there is no way they could have stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.


LOL I have feeling I'm glad I just saw this thread but wish I'd seen it's
beginning.....Interpret6ation of Rules always interesting

On 8/20/11 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:44:26 -0500,
wrote:

wrote in
:

O

The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't matter if
you are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot of the
time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in an
altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to fault
the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there is no way
in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from of them. Even
if they could have, there is no way they could have stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.


LOL I have feeling I'm glad I just saw this thread but wish I'd seen it's
beginning.....Interpret6ation of Rules always interesting


This is the story that accompanied the video.

Whilst the Extreme Racing series was entertaining the crowds at this
years' Aberdeen Asset Management Cowes Week, the supertanker hit a
yacht which was then dismasted as its spinnaker sail was snagged by
the ship's anchor.

The Marine Knutsen supertanker was being guided by a pilot boat into
Southampton docks and was making its presence known by repeatedly
sounding its horn. By one yacht didn't seem to give itself enough time
to clear the massive boat and was hit before having its mast and
rigging ripped off when one of its sail got caught in the supertankers
anchor.

The yacht was quickly attended by several vessels offering assistance.
It's not know if anyone was hurt.

The incident was captured by Tim Addison for COWES.co.uk


The Tories probably won't want the accident investigation subbed out to
private sector investigators.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:44:39 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:04:15 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:00:06 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

I suspect this sailboat captain is rethinking who has the "Right of Way".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUoUxzt9sI

The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't matter if you
are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot of the
time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in an
altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to fault
the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there is no way
in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from of them. Even
if they could have, there is no way they could have stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.

I never said otherwise. However, the statement that bigger you are
gives you "more right of way" is wrong. There is no such language in
any of the rules, inland or international.

This is what Tim posted as a counter example, and I've included my
comments:

Who had the right of way here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE

The boat from which the vid was taken, obviously. However, it had
nothing to do with the size of either boat. I would assign 90% blame
to the sailboat and 10% to the larger boat. It was a crossing
situation, but the bigger boat didn't attempt (as far as can be seen
or heard) to either take evasive action or sound an alarm... five or
more beeps I believe.

or how about here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qwq...eature=related

You gotta remember that the larger the vessel, the slower the response
time.

In the case of the second vid, my reading of the rules are that it was
a crossing situation, so the boat being hit was probably "right" but
should have tried to avoid the collision. And, the boat that was
taking the vid should have avoided the situation. I would assign 60%
fault to the boat from which the vid was taken and 40% to the boat
that was hit.

I'm sure there is precedence that the court would look at also.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:55:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:44:26 -0500, otnmbrd
wrote:

wrote in
m:

O

The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't matter if
you are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot of the
time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in an
altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to fault
the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there is no way
in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from of them. Even
if they could have, there is no way they could have stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.


LOL I have feeling I'm glad I just saw this thread but wish I'd seen it's
beginning.....Interpret6ation of Rules always interesting


This is the story that accompanied the video.

Whilst the Extreme Racing series was entertaining the crowds at this
years' Aberdeen Asset Management Cowes Week, the supertanker hit a
yacht which was then dismasted as its spinnaker sail was snagged by
the ship's anchor.

The Marine Knutsen supertanker was being guided by a pilot boat into
Southampton docks and was making its presence known by repeatedly
sounding its horn. By one yacht didn't seem to give itself enough time
to clear the massive boat and was hit before having its mast and
rigging ripped off when one of its sail got caught in the supertankers
anchor.

The yacht was quickly attended by several vessels offering assistance.
It's not know if anyone was hurt.

The incident was captured by Tim Addison for COWES.co.uk

Yes, so as I've said, and what you fail to acknowledge is that 1) I
never disagreed with the comment that the sailboat was wrong 2) Size
in an of itself has no mention in the rules.

Keep hiding and claiming I'm a troll.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Califbill" wrote in message
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Reply:
I was the maintenance Field Engineer for an on-line data center for banks.
Mid 1960's. Data center located in San Francisco and we had customers from
the Canadian border to Salt Lake City. 110 Baud lease lines.

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Sounds like Mod 28 Teletype gear


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Probably same technology.

In article ,
says...

On 8/20/11 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:44:26 -0500,
wrote:

wrote in
:

O

The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't matter if
you are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot of the
time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in an
altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to fault
the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there is no way
in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from of them. Even
if they could have, there is no way they could have stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.


LOL I have feeling I'm glad I just saw this thread but wish I'd seen it's
beginning.....Interpret6ation of Rules always interesting


This is the story that accompanied the video.

Whilst the Extreme Racing series was entertaining the crowds at this
years' Aberdeen Asset Management Cowes Week, the supertanker hit a
yacht which was then dismasted as its spinnaker sail was snagged by
the ship's anchor.

The Marine Knutsen supertanker was being guided by a pilot boat into
Southampton docks and was making its presence known by repeatedly
sounding its horn. By one yacht didn't seem to give itself enough time
to clear the massive boat and was hit before having its mast and
rigging ripped off when one of its sail got caught in the supertankers
anchor.

The yacht was quickly attended by several vessels offering assistance.
It's not know if anyone was hurt.

The incident was captured by Tim Addison for COWES.co.uk


The Tories probably won't want the accident investigation subbed out to
private sector investigators.

What an idiotic statement.

iBoat More wrote in
:

In article ,
says...

On 8/20/11 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:44:26 -0500,
wrote:

wrote in
:

O

The bigger you are the more right of way you have. Doesn't
matter if you are on the highway or on the water.

According to the regulation I've read, this is incorrect a lot
of the time.

Read this, "The bigger you are, the more likely you are to win in
an altercation."

The sailboat loses. End of story. No admiralty court is going to
fault the supertanker captain. Even with a proper lookout, there
is no way in hell they could have seen the sailboat dart in from
of them. Even if they could have, there is no way they could have
stopped.

Boats don't have brakes. You have to work around that.




Pilot boats don't guide ships into port, they just deliver the pilot to
the ship.
If I assume that the ship was in a narrow, buoyed channel then it's
probably not going to do too well in the courts.

+
LOL I have feeling I'm glad I just saw this thread but wish I'd
seen it's beginning.....Interpret6ation of Rules always
interesting


This is the story that accompanied the video.

Whilst the Extreme Racing series was entertaining the crowds at
this years' Aberdeen Asset Management Cowes Week, the supertanker
hit a yacht which was then dismasted as its spinnaker sail was
snagged by the ship's anchor.

The Marine Knutsen supertanker was being guided by a pilot boat
into Southampton docks and was making its presence known by
repeatedly sounding its horn. By one yacht didn't seem to give
itself enough time to clear the massive boat and was hit before
having its mast and rigging ripped off when one of its sail got
caught in the supertankers anchor.

The yacht was quickly attended by several vessels offering
assistance. It's not know if anyone was hurt.

The incident was captured by Tim Addison for COWES.co.uk


The Tories probably won't want the accident investigation subbed out
to private sector investigators.

What an idiotic statement.