On 8/19/2011 1:02 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Who had the right of way here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE

The boat from which the vid was taken, obviously. However, it had
nothing to do with the size of either boat. I would assign 90% blame
to the sailboat and 10% to the larger boat. It was a crossing
situation, but the bigger boat didn't attempt (as far as can be seen
or heard) to either take evasive action or sound an alarm... five or
more beeps I believe.

or how about here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qwq...eature=related

You gotta remember that the larger the vessel, the slower the response
time.

In the case of the second vid, my reading of the rules are that it was
a crossing situation, so the boat being hit was probably "right" but
should have tried to avoid the collision. And, the boat that was
taking the vid should have avoided the situation. I would assign 60%
fault to the boat from which the vid was taken and 40% to the boat
that was hit.

I'm sure there is precedence that the court would look at also.

Quit playing lawyer. You aren't any good at it and you don't have the
skills to interpret correctly what you read. Someone should assign you
to an asylum. Just my two cents. ;-)

On 8/18/2011 11:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:31:50 -0700, wrote:

Tankers and large vessels are required by international law to avoid
collisions. They are not necessarily restricted in maneuverability,
since there are nothing preventing them from moving to one side or the
other

Nothing but physics.
I am sure you have never actually been at the helm of a ship. I have
(Coast Guard cutters 311 and 327 feet).
Even that small a ship does not turn on a dime. We are really talking
about an appreciable part of a mile if you are underway at sea.
That is why it is important that ships coming close to each other
communicate their intentions and follow the rules of the road.

Small boats just have to get the **** out of the way.

I have seen people try to race freighters to "the crossing" in the
Chesapeake bay to find out the freighter is going as fast as they are.
It is fun to watch them make a tactical retreat but they do get a good
rocking. If they did press this right of way thing they would wash up
on the beach in Norfolk.

You cant judge speed that well at a distance, but you can easily
determine if you are on a collision course.

On 8/18/2011 11:01 PM, Tim wrote:
Who had the right of way here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE

or how about here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qwq...eature=related

You gotta remember that the larger the vessel, the slower the response
time.

Looks like it should have been "the people that didn't die"...

On 8/19/2011 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:20:48 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:31:50 -0700, wrote:

Tankers and large vessels are required by international law to avoid
collisions. They are not necessarily restricted in maneuverability,
since there are nothing preventing them from moving to one side or the
other

Nothing but physics.
I am sure you have never actually been at the helm of a ship. I have
(Coast Guard cutters 311 and 327 feet).

Depends on the definition of ship. I've been "at the helm" of several
sailboats. It may be a matter of "simple physics" but that has nothing
to do with the rules of the road as I read them. It's a matter of
following the rules. There's no rule that mentions size.

Even that small a ship does not turn on a dime. We are really talking
about an appreciable part of a mile if you are underway at sea.
That is why it is important that ships coming close to each other
communicate their intentions and follow the rules of the road.

Small boats just have to get the **** out of the way.

Not in International waters when neither boat is restricted. It's the
obligation of the much faster boat to not run over a much slower boat
like a sailboat. The tanker is going, what 30 mph or knots? I doubt a
small sailboat would be able to get out of the way, and I've read
reports where nobody on the tanker is even looking.

I have seen people try to race freighters to "the crossing" in the
Chesapeake bay to find out the freighter is going as fast as they are.
It is fun to watch them make a tactical retreat but they do get a good
rocking. If they did press this right of way thing they would wash up
on the beach in Norfolk.

Again, this has nothing to do with the discussion. I have no doubt
it's fun to watch.

Your knowledge and attitude would make any boat you pilot a hazard to
navigation. You are an incompetent and insane skipper. And I use the
term skipper very loosely. Thank god you don't own even part of a boat.

In article om, "not a
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On 8/19/2011 1:02 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Who had the right of way here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE

The boat from which the vid was taken, obviously. However, it had
nothing to do with the size of either boat. I would assign 90% blame
to the sailboat and 10% to the larger boat. It was a crossing
situation, but the bigger boat didn't attempt (as far as can be seen
or heard) to either take evasive action or sound an alarm... five or
more beeps I believe.

or how about here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qwq...eature=related

You gotta remember that the larger the vessel, the slower the response
time.

In the case of the second vid, my reading of the rules are that it was
a crossing situation, so the boat being hit was probably "right" but
should have tried to avoid the collision. And, the boat that was
taking the vid should have avoided the situation. I would assign 60%
fault to the boat from which the vid was taken and 40% to the boat
that was hit.

I'm sure there is precedence that the court would look at also.

Quit playing lawyer. You aren't any good at it and you don't have the
skills to interpret correctly what you read. Someone should assign you
to an asylum. Just my two cents. ;-)

Yes I am good at it. Ooops, I mean SHE'S good at it.

--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and
disappear.

On 8/19/11 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:20:31 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:39:16 -0400, John
wrote:

Take the limiting case of two tankers. The one overtaking is 700 ft
long. The one being overtaken is 300 ft long. Your claim that the
smaller one must get out of the way of the bigger one is nonsense.

In that example both boats re restricted in their ability to maneuver
by virtue of their size. They are governed by the rules of the road
however which say that the vessel being overtaken is the "stand on"
vessel (see COLREGS definitions). That said, both vessels have the
obligation to avoid a collission. If there is doubt about another
vessels intent, they are *required* to make contact on the radio
and/or signal their intentions using whistles or horns.

In the case I cited, the "stand on" vessel is being overtaken. This
has nothing to do with Rule 18b International, and has nothing to do
with size per se, which is what dummy was arguing.

(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.

I am sure you don't understand, but a tanker is severely restricted in
her ability to maneuver quickly. It can take a tanker over a mile to
stop, and is very slow to react to the helm. That is why they use
tugboats in close quarters. This has been a great informative thread
for those who are thinking about buying a boat. Can you imagine what
would have happened if you took on a tanker because you believed it had
the ability to maneuver quickly to avoid a boat who thought they were
following the rules of the road. Wow, oh the humanity.

--
Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing
conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the
quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and
disappear.

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On 8/19/11 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:20:31 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:39:16 -0400, John
wrote:

Take the limiting case of two tankers. The one overtaking is 700 ft
long. The one being overtaken is 300 ft long. Your claim that the
smaller one must get out of the way of the bigger one is nonsense.

In that example both boats re restricted in their ability to maneuver
by virtue of their size. They are governed by the rules of the road
however which say that the vessel being overtaken is the "stand on"
vessel (see COLREGS definitions). That said, both vessels have the
obligation to avoid a collission. If there is doubt about another
vessels intent, they are *required* to make contact on the radio
and/or signal their intentions using whistles or horns.

In the case I cited, the "stand on" vessel is being overtaken. This
has nothing to do with Rule 18b International, and has nothing to do
with size per se, which is what dummy was arguing.

(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.

I am sure you don't understand, but a tanker is severely restricted in
her ability to maneuver quickly. It can take a tanker over a mile to
stop, and is very slow to react to the helm. That is why they use
tugboats in close quarters. This has been a great informative thread
for those who are thinking about buying a boat. Can you imagine what
would have happened if you took on a tanker because you believed it had
the ability to maneuver quickly to avoid a boat who thought they were
following the rules of the road. Wow, oh the humanity.

If people would just stay in their basements away from harm they'd be
safe. Maybe take some practice tests, that's daring!

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:48:50 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/08/2011 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:01:08 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Who had the right of way here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE

The boat from which the vid was taken, obviously. However, it had
nothing to do with the size of either boat. I would assign 90% blame
to the sailboat and 10% to the larger boat. It was a crossing
situation, but the bigger boat didn't attempt (as far as can be seen
or heard) to either take evasive action or sound an alarm... five or
more beeps I believe.

or how about here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4qwq...eature=related

You gotta remember that the larger the vessel, the slower the response
time.

In the case of the second vid, my reading of the rules are that it was
a crossing situation, so the boat being hit was probably "right" but
should have tried to avoid the collision. And, the boat that was
taking the vid should have avoided the situation. I would assign 60%
fault to the boat from which the vid was taken and 40% to the boat
that was hit.

I'm sure there is precedence that the court would look at also.

Bull****. If the judge or any juror was a sailor, the sailboat owner is
toast.

Everyone is truly glad you're too stupid to even contemplate owning a
boat.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:33:49 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/08/2011 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:20:31 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:39:16 -0400, John
wrote:

Take the limiting case of two tankers. The one overtaking is 700 ft
long. The one being overtaken is 300 ft long. Your claim that the
smaller one must get out of the way of the bigger one is nonsense.

In that example both boats re restricted in their ability to maneuver
by virtue of their size. They are governed by the rules of the road
however which say that the vessel being overtaken is the "stand on"
vessel (see COLREGS definitions). That said, both vessels have the
obligation to avoid a collission. If there is doubt about another
vessels intent, they are *required* to make contact on the radio
and/or signal their intentions using whistles or horns.

In the case I cited, the "stand on" vessel is being overtaken. This
has nothing to do with Rule 18b International, and has nothing to do
with size per se, which is what dummy was arguing.

(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.

Well fleabagger parrot, (i) doesn't apply, both ships were under command
and under way in a main channel. See the buoy?

(ii) freighter has less maneuverability, you loose. (iii) not applicable.

Clearly the freighter was not over taking the sail boat. For that to
happen the sailboat wold have to be about 120 degrees to starboard.
Confused? Not surprising given your IQ and genetic damage.

So what part of the sail boat needed to yield that you don't understand?

What part of brain dead do you not understand? You're talking about
something that has nothing to do with my comment. As usual, you're an
idiot.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:26:52 -0400, X-Man wrote:

On 8/19/11 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:20:31 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:39:16 -0400, John
wrote:

Take the limiting case of two tankers. The one overtaking is 700 ft
long. The one being overtaken is 300 ft long. Your claim that the
smaller one must get out of the way of the bigger one is nonsense.

In that example both boats re restricted in their ability to maneuver
by virtue of their size. They are governed by the rules of the road
however which say that the vessel being overtaken is the "stand on"
vessel (see COLREGS definitions). That said, both vessels have the
obligation to avoid a collission. If there is doubt about another
vessels intent, they are *required* to make contact on the radio
and/or signal their intentions using whistles or horns.

In the case I cited, the "stand on" vessel is being overtaken. This
has nothing to do with Rule 18b International, and has nothing to do
with size per se, which is what dummy was arguing.

(b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of:
(i) a vessel not under command;
(ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
(iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.

I am sure you don't understand, but a tanker is severely restricted in
her ability to maneuver quickly. It can take a tanker over a mile to
stop, and is very slow to react to the helm. That is why they use
tugboats in close quarters. This has been a great informative thread
for those who are thinking about buying a boat. Can you imagine what
would have happened if you took on a tanker because you believed it had
the ability to maneuver quickly to avoid a boat who thought they were
following the rules of the road. Wow, oh the humanity.

I was talking about two tankers here. So, it's nothing to do with
sailboats.