On 22/08/2011 10:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 22/08/2011 7:13 PM, BAR wrote:
In articlea6f56113-cd60-4813-9e33-5d2d965a28d1
@t30g2000prm.googlegroups.com, says...

On Aug 22, 7:18 pm, wrote:
In articled42dndoxjIkcSc_TnZ2dnUVZ_oGdn...@earthlink .com,
says...











1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not
only
paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million
rebate
from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the
IRS
last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a
bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly
$1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26
billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion
refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year
after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the
Pentagon
to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS
last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68
billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check
from
the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax
break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in
taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an
almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury
Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but
paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from
the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United
States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but
received
$451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing
deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than
$11
Z billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those
years
was just 1.1 percent.

From a news release from U.S. Sen Bernie Sanders, of Vermont.

How come GE isn't on the list?

Harry is doing the political shill thing.. the group is ****ed until
november of next year as he brings us his agenda on overdrive...

It appears that Obama and Ron Paul are polling neck and neck. A left
wing communist and a libertarian, who would have thought it possible.

Such a vote would come down to whether or not American voters want their
economic liberty....or what is left of it under Obama.
--
We have the most expensive governments no one can afford.
And wonder why the economy is doing so poorly?


Reply:
Actually read the article.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/...x_bills/2.html

Exxon paid 47% of their profit in taxes. Just not in the US. They get
to deduct those taxes paid overseas. It says Nigeria gets a tax rate of
85% on any profits in the country. Seems as if it is congress problem,
not an Exxon problem. Looks like Exxon actually paid the USA 7.7
Billion in taxes and duties last year. Seems as if that added some to
the cost of fuel.

And the jobs including employment taxes.

I am fully aware of the fleabagger bull**** going on here. But
fleabaggers also think a multi-national should pay DC taxes for products
made and sold in China as an example.

The reality is USA has too many ignorant, arrogant, debt loving,
uneducated low moral fleabaggers with votes. A cultural problem of
entitlement, envy and greed runs the USA.

It really ramped up in 2006-Democrat congres and Bernanke print money
inflation fraud, causing unemployment. Inflation mean instead of people
buying 20 widgets a month, they could only buy 19...so on comes QE1/2
and sooner or later QE3....and they will only buy 15 widgets, and 25% of
labor gets the axe.

Debt is an addiction, just like heroin, the very thing the fleabaggers
crave is the very thing causing the troubles. Too much government, too
much future tax-debt-slavery, too much unemployment and with zero rates
lower corporate earnings requirements. Less revenue for all, is less
spending for all...but wait...government grew like a cancer....

Fact is, USA is screwed for a decade or more, peraps 2 generations.
Just too much debt. And the US economy is collapsing, more and more
countries are outperforming the USA. For example, only Argentina in
South America is not outperforming the USA. Even Mexican pesos are
doing better.

Fact is America needs a leader to stand up and say, Bernanke, your a
fraud and fired. Bernanke Doctrine and Keynes is an utter failure of
the larges economic kind we have ever seen. Then cut 1/2 of the DC
government spending starting right now. If delinquent debtors can't
afford homes now, they never will.

Fact is USA is bankrupt. And a decision has to be made, is America a
nation of debt-tax slaves or is there going to be some economic liberty.
You can't have both, but not making a good decision might mean you get
neither.
--
We have the most expensive governments no one can afford.
And wonder why the economy is doing so poorly?

In article ,
says...

On 8/22/11 7:26 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/08/2011 5:18 PM, BAR wrote:
In articled42dndoxjIkcSc_TnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

1) Exxon Mobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only
paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate
from the IRS, according to its SEC filings.

2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS
last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a
bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly
$1 trillion.

3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26
billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion
refund from the IRS.

4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year
after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.

5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon
to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS
last year.

6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68
billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from
the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax
break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.

7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in
taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an
almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury
Department.

8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but
paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from
the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.

9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United
States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received
$451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing
deduction.

10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11
billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years
was just 1.1 percent.

From a news release from U.S. Sen Bernie Sanders, of Vermont.

How come GE isn't on the list?

Because your dealing with fleabagger material.


You must have been one crappy bookkeeper. You're the second or third
right-wing moron who has demonstrated an inability to read. Here's a
hint: GE is the initialism for General Electric.

Stupid schmucks.

What intelligent debating skills you have. You're right up there with
Tuuk!

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:42:32 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 9:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:37:12 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Actually read the article.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/...x_bills/2.html
Exxon paid 47% of their profit in taxes. Just not in the US. They get to
deduct those taxes paid overseas. It says Nigeria gets a tax rate of 85% on
any profits in the country. Seems as if it is congress problem, not an
Exxon problem. Looks like Exxon actually paid the USA 7.7 Billion in taxes
and duties last year. Seems as if that added some to the cost of fuel.

I thought the US was the most heavily taxed nation in the world. Which
is it. Do we have high or low taxes? Since you claim to have read the
article, please tell us how many taxes Exxon paid to the IRS?
Absolutely zero, so naturally we gave them a subsidy to ruin the
environment.

Maybe on a gross level, but no one an individual level. Just that with
your record you can't travel out of state much less the country.

You are on a gross level. Other than that, it's impossible to parse
what you're trying to complain about, you being an illiterate moron.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:44:22 -0400, X ~ Man
wrote:

On 8/23/11 12:42 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
Just that with
your record you can't travel out of state much less the country.


More inane absurdities from Canuckles.

I think he must bang his head against the wall a few times right
before he posts.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:43:47 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 9:11 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/23/2011 12:24 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/08/2011 8:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:56:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:13:20 -0400, X ~
wrote:

1) Exxon Mobil

Corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect the money from their
customers, tack on some profit and pass it on in the cost of the
product.

It is just a way to put a hidden tax on the consumer, similar to a
VAT. The only problem is you punish the American company for doing all
of it's business inside the US. If you are a multinational, it is very
easy to make all of your "profit" in another country. Hence the
companies you listed did not make a "US profit".

Really... the CEOs don't pay taxes either, apparently. Nobody has
"punished" companies. Their effective tax rate is quite low. Nice try
with the right wing agenda talking point though.

Keep you head up your parrots ass Polly.

This world is now competing on taxes and USA is losing fast. Fact is you
have a big fat out of control debt corruption government that doesn't
give a rates ass about the people, they only care about being bigger.

And the more the government gets, the less the people get. No amount of
fleabegging is going to change reality, USA is bankrupt. Don't give up
your job.

Too late. She already quit her job as patent researcher, or was it
building inspector?

Looks like she only lasted Monday and got fired.

Looks like you remain the clown of the newsgroup...

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:46:18 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 9:49 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:24:23 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/08/2011 8:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:56:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:13:20 -0400, X ~
wrote:

1) Exxon Mobil

Corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect the money from their
customers, tack on some profit and pass it on in the cost of the
product.

It is just a way to put a hidden tax on the consumer, similar to a
VAT. The only problem is you punish the American company for doing all
of it's business inside the US. If you are a multinational, it is very
easy to make all of your "profit" in another country. Hence the
companies you listed did not make a "US profit".

Really... the CEOs don't pay taxes either, apparently. Nobody has
"punished" companies. Their effective tax rate is quite low. Nice try
with the right wing agenda talking point though.

Keep you head up your parrots ass Polly.

This world is now competing on taxes and USA is losing fast. Fact is
you have a big fat out of control debt corruption government that
doesn't give a rates ass about the people, they only care about being
bigger.

And the more the government gets, the less the people get. No amount of
fleabegging is going to change reality, USA is bankrupt. Don't give up
your job.

Is that where you find your head... up your ass?

You just got done agreeing the CalifIll that other places have higher
tax rates. Now, you're claiming the opposite. You're plain stupid.

Hey, raise taxes on EVERYONE. So evil politicians like Obama can't pit
greedy Americans against producing Americans for his lust of power.

That way every voter feels the pain, the socialist way.

The middle class and the poor are already feeling the pain. It's time
to tax the rich, so they can feel some, but that Socialist Warren
Buffet agrees, so it must be wrong.

On 23/08/2011 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:46:18 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 9:49 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:24:23 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/08/2011 8:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:56:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:13:20 -0400, X ~
wrote:

1) Exxon Mobil

Corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect the money from their
customers, tack on some profit and pass it on in the cost of the
product.

It is just a way to put a hidden tax on the consumer, similar to a
VAT. The only problem is you punish the American company for doing all
of it's business inside the US. If you are a multinational, it is very
easy to make all of your "profit" in another country. Hence the
companies you listed did not make a "US profit".

Really... the CEOs don't pay taxes either, apparently. Nobody has
"punished" companies. Their effective tax rate is quite low. Nice try
with the right wing agenda talking point though.

Keep you head up your parrots ass Polly.

This world is now competing on taxes and USA is losing fast. Fact is
you have a big fat out of control debt corruption government that
doesn't give a rates ass about the people, they only care about being
bigger.

And the more the government gets, the less the people get. No amount of
fleabegging is going to change reality, USA is bankrupt. Don't give up
your job.

Is that where you find your head... up your ass?

You just got done agreeing the CalifIll that other places have higher
tax rates. Now, you're claiming the opposite. You're plain stupid.

Hey, raise taxes on EVERYONE. So evil politicians like Obama can't pit
greedy Americans against producing Americans for his lust of power.

That way every voter feels the pain, the socialist way.

The middle class and the poor are already feeling the pain. It's time
to tax the rich, so they can feel some, but that Socialist Warren
Buffet agrees, so it must be wrong.

He is just a senile old fool with the IRS up his ass and the deal is
"tax me more" for a easy bye.

--
If it is all Bush's fault, then how come Obama is doing much more of the
same and expecing different results?

On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:38:02 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 4:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:46:18 -0600,
wrote:

On 23/08/2011 9:49 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:24:23 -0600,
wrote:

On 22/08/2011 8:15 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:56:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 18:13:20 -0400, X ~
wrote:

1) Exxon Mobil

Corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect the money from their
customers, tack on some profit and pass it on in the cost of the
product.

It is just a way to put a hidden tax on the consumer, similar to a
VAT. The only problem is you punish the American company for doing all
of it's business inside the US. If you are a multinational, it is very
easy to make all of your "profit" in another country. Hence the
companies you listed did not make a "US profit".

Really... the CEOs don't pay taxes either, apparently. Nobody has
"punished" companies. Their effective tax rate is quite low. Nice try
with the right wing agenda talking point though.

Keep you head up your parrots ass Polly.

This world is now competing on taxes and USA is losing fast. Fact is
you have a big fat out of control debt corruption government that
doesn't give a rates ass about the people, they only care about being
bigger.

And the more the government gets, the less the people get. No amount of
fleabegging is going to change reality, USA is bankrupt. Don't give up
your job.

Is that where you find your head... up your ass?

You just got done agreeing the CalifIll that other places have higher
tax rates. Now, you're claiming the opposite. You're plain stupid.

Hey, raise taxes on EVERYONE. So evil politicians like Obama can't pit
greedy Americans against producing Americans for his lust of power.

That way every voter feels the pain, the socialist way.

The middle class and the poor are already feeling the pain. It's time
to tax the rich, so they can feel some, but that Socialist Warren
Buffet agrees, so it must be wrong.

He is just a senile old fool with the IRS up his ass and the deal is
"tax me more" for a easy bye.

Uh huh... that senile old fool makes you look microscopic in every
aspect of your life.

"Canuck57" wrote in message news
On 23/08/2011 9:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:37:12 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Actually read the article.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/...x_bills/2.html
Exxon paid 47% of their profit in taxes. Just not in the US. They get
to
deduct those taxes paid overseas. It says Nigeria gets a tax rate of 85%
on
any profits in the country. Seems as if it is congress problem, not an
Exxon problem. Looks like Exxon actually paid the USA 7.7 Billion in
taxes
and duties last year. Seems as if that added some to the cost of fuel.

I thought the US was the most heavily taxed nation in the world. Which
is it. Do we have high or low taxes? Since you claim to have read the
article, please tell us how many taxes Exxon paid to the IRS?
Absolutely zero, so naturally we gave them a subsidy to ruin the
environment.

Maybe on a gross level, but no one an individual level. Just that with
your record you can't travel out of state much less the country.
--
We have the most expensive governments no one can afford.
And wonder why the economy is doing so poorly?


Reply:
Article said Exxon paid $7.7 billion in taxes to USA entities.

On 23/08/2011 8:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message news
On 23/08/2011 9:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:37:12 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

Reply:
Actually read the article.
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/...x_bills/2.html

Exxon paid 47% of their profit in taxes. Just not in the US. They
get to
deduct those taxes paid overseas. It says Nigeria gets a tax rate of
85% on
any profits in the country. Seems as if it is congress problem, not an
Exxon problem. Looks like Exxon actually paid the USA 7.7 Billion in
taxes
and duties last year. Seems as if that added some to the cost of fuel.

I thought the US was the most heavily taxed nation in the world. Which
is it. Do we have high or low taxes? Since you claim to have read the
article, please tell us how many taxes Exxon paid to the IRS?
Absolutely zero, so naturally we gave them a subsidy to ruin the
environment.

Maybe on a gross level, but no one an individual level. Just that with
your record you can't travel out of state much less the country.
--
We have the most expensive governments no one can afford.
And wonder why the economy is doing so poorly?


Reply:
Article said Exxon paid $7.7 billion in taxes to USA entities.

I am sure they did. I know COP pays plenty, I read their financial reports.

What we really see here is a evil idiot Obama using peoples greed and
envy as blame deflection. Get them to hate someone else, appealing to
low life need to hate. Have them hate the "rich" and they will hate
Obama less. Feed and prey on the gullibility of stupid fleabaggers.

A well known, open discussed form of management and political psychology
and I am sure Obama picked it up at Harvard or somewhere. Usually a
sign of a political bully mentality with narcissism and a closed mind.
Certain shows Obama to be a manipulative SOB.

--
If it is all Bush's fault, then how come Obama is doing much more of the
same and expecting different results?