On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:26:43 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

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Obviously you have completely missed the point.

The only point is this guy broke the law.
Why are defending a smuggler?
http://tinyurl.com/3j7qbbm
Do want all import laws and endangered species laws made null and void?
Anybody with a sense of decency wants to protect endangered species.
Does that exclude right-wingers trumping up bogus charges about some
"inconvenience" to business?
Is it okay with you to let right-wing politics allow species to become
extinct?
Have some decency!
If these guitar and piano sellers could overcome their fetish for
endangered species maybe they could educate their customers to rid
themselves of the same fetish.
There is NO reason for using rosewood or ivory except fetish.
If Gibson had a brain they would use a substitute, make it a selling
point, and sell more guitars.
But they have fetish instead of brain.



Change your handle back to Loogy, Kevin. You're still displaying the same amount of sense.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

=========

It's not totally off topic. A lot of this governmental nonsense
spills over into the world of boating. As an example take a look at
the so called Manatee "endangered species" regs, the EPA "no
discharge zones" crusade or the Cuban off-limits rules.

Our trawler must have at least half a tropical rain forest in it.
What if we had to document the origin of every inch of that wood every
time we came back into the country like the guitar and piano folks are
doing?

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:26:43 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

The only point is this guy broke the law.
Why are defending a smuggler?
http://tinyurl.com/3j7qbbm
Do want all import laws and endangered species laws made null and void?
Anybody with a sense of decency wants to protect endangered species.
Does that exclude right-wingers trumping up bogus charges about some
"inconvenience" to business?
Is it okay with you to let right-wing politics allow species to become
extinct?
Have some decency!
If these guitar and piano sellers could overcome their fetish for
endangered species maybe they could educate their customers to rid
themselves of the same fetish.
There is NO reason for using rosewood or ivory except fetish.
If Gibson had a brain they would use a substitute, make it a selling
point, and sell more guitars.
But they have fetish instead of brain.



Change your handle back to Loogy, Kevin. You're still displaying the same amount of sense.

ESAD

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:53:43 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

=========

It's not totally off topic. A lot of this governmental nonsense
spills over into the world of boating. As an example take a look at
the so called Manatee "endangered species" regs, the EPA "no
discharge zones" crusade or the Cuban off-limits rules.

Our trawler must have at least half a tropical rain forest in it.
What if we had to document the origin of every inch of that wood every
time we came back into the country like the guitar and piano folks are
doing?

What if the moon were made out of cheese?

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:04:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



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On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

Obviously, I didn't. He pled guilty. That's the point. If he was
innocent, he should have fought it.

I believe in plea bargains when the person pleading knows that it's
easy for the prosecutor to prove his case. I don't believe in them
when the defendant is pushed into it because the lawyer is lazy or too
busy.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:04:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

Obviously, I didn't. He pled guilty. That's the point. If he was
innocent, he should have fought it.

I believe in plea bargains when the person pleading knows that it's
easy for the prosecutor to prove his case. I don't believe in them
when the defendant is pushed into it because the lawyer is lazy or too
busy.

Just because someone chose not to fight the charges doesn't mean that
he's guilty.

On 8/30/2011 3:41 PM, iBoatMore wrote:
In ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 08:04:29 -0400, wrote:



wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

Obviously, I didn't. He pled guilty. That's the point. If he was
innocent, he should have fought it.

I believe in plea bargains when the person pleading knows that it's
easy for the prosecutor to prove his case. I don't believe in them
when the defendant is pushed into it because the lawyer is lazy or too
busy.

Just because someone chose not to fight the charges doesn't mean that
he's guilty.

She is Soooo naive.

On 8/30/2011 1:53 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:58 -0400, John
wrote:

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

=========

It's not totally off topic. A lot of this governmental nonsense
spills over into the world of boating. As an example take a look at
the so called Manatee "endangered species" regs, the EPA "no
discharge zones" crusade or the Cuban off-limits rules.

Our trawler must have at least half a tropical rain forest in it.
What if we had to document the origin of every inch of that wood every
time we came back into the country like the guitar and piano folks are
doing?


I would watch very carefully for something like that. It could really
cause a huge problem..

On Aug 30, 2:31*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:53:43 -0400, Wayne B









wrote:
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 13:10:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. *Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? * How did it happen? *How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.

=========

It's not totally off topic. *A lot of this governmental nonsense
spills over into the world of boating. * As an example take a look at
the so called Manatee "endangered species" regs, *the EPA "no
discharge zones" crusade or the Cuban off-limits rules.

Our trawler must have at least half a tropical rain forest in it.
What if we had to document the origin of every inch of that wood every
time we came back into the country like the guitar and piano folks are
doing?

What if the moon were made out of cheese?

You would be craving to devour it...

On Aug 30, 7:32*am, X ~ Man wrote:
On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:









On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, *wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, *wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122....

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.