On 8/29/2011 9:49 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?


You have to find a way to stop voter fraud in the US so the voters can
vote "regressives" out of office... Unfortunately, ACORN didn't go
under, they just split into hundreds of seperate offices with new names,
but they are already hard at work in key states for 2012 and as history
shows, they are quite capable of stealing elections...

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.


"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:49:23 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Why don't you continue to vote for your right-wing crazies. I'm sure
they have a solution, and if not, God will speak to them.

wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. That is very Christian of you.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. *That is very Christian of you.



Thanks!

?;^ )

On 8/30/2011 1:51 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.


"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

Read between the lines, dopey.

On 8/30/2011 8:32 AM, X ~ Man wrote:
On 8/29/11 9:21 PM, Tim wrote:
On Aug 29, 8:16 pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48 am, wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...


This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

It looks like you are one of those people who believe business should be
able to rape and pillage the environment. That is very Christian of you.


Got the proper paperwork on that deck of yours. Careful, you might be
the next one thrown in the clink by the affirmative action Gestapo. It
would be a shame to have all of that exotic wood of yours confiscated.
Got any receipts to prove you support the DNC? It might help.

In article ,
says...

wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

So, he agreed that he violated the law and was fined. I don't
understand why you're upset. He did have to plead guilty.

--------------------------------------

Obviously you have completely missed the point.

The only point is this guy broke the law.
Why are defending a smuggler?
http://tinyurl.com/3j7qbbm
Do want all import laws and endangered species laws made null and void?
Anybody with a sense of decency wants to protect endangered species.
Does that exclude right-wingers trumping up bogus charges about some
"inconvenience" to business?
Is it okay with you to let right-wing politics allow species to become
extinct?
Have some decency!
If these guitar and piano sellers could overcome their fetish for
endangered species maybe they could educate their customers to rid
themselves of the same fetish.
There is NO reason for using rosewood or ivory except fetish.
If Gibson had a brain they would use a substitute, make it a selling
point, and sell more guitars.
But they have fetish instead of brain.

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:49:23 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:21:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 29, 8:16*pm, Tim wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:48*am, JustWait wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57653052047122...

This **** is getting old.

This is only one part of the article that gets me, Scott.

"Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-
area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr.
Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply
encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added
scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to
have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his
paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years,
Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the
Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation. "

Oh yeah. this too!

"If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be
made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border
with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better
have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the
instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—
not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and
ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well
justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage
guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a
wooden guitar."

============================

What nonsense. Does anyone remember voting for a government like
this? How did it happen? How do we fix it?

Are you leading by example?

Good question though.