On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:14:44 -0400, Your Name Here
wrote:

On 9/2/11 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 11:22 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that
remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.


OH THE CHILDREN, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? AND OLD PEOPLE, AND PUPPY
DOGS... WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. Do you know how inhabited body bag "world
trade center #0001" ?? Do ya'? Just sayin' Either way, find another soap
box to spew your hate...

What hate are you talking about? I am praising the Jews and Native
Americans for not holding all Christians responsible for actions of the
past. I am not holding any group, including Christians, Muslims, Jews,
Africans, Asians and Europeans up to any higher or lower standard than
any other group. Since you agree with this and don't believe anyone
should be biased against another group, why are you freaking out? My
position really is a moderate position. I am not suggestion will give
any minority any more rights that the majority.

He's freaking out because he's a freak. He hates everyone, apparently,
who doesn't believe in the Astroturf version of the world that he's
been spoof fed.

In article ,
says...

On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

There are consequences to losing wars.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.

Fredom of religion, not freedom from religion. The first amendment
doesn't give you the ability to regulate my religion. If you want to get
into defining what a religion is then we can take the discussion in that
direction.

On 9/2/2011 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:14:44 -0400, Your Name Here
wrote:

On 9/2/11 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 11:22 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that
remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.


OH THE CHILDREN, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? AND OLD PEOPLE, AND PUPPY
DOGS... WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. Do you know how inhabited body bag "world
trade center #0001" ?? Do ya'? Just sayin' Either way, find another soap
box to spew your hate...

What hate are you talking about? I am praising the Jews and Native
Americans for not holding all Christians responsible for actions of the
past. I am not holding any group, including Christians, Muslims, Jews,
Africans, Asians and Europeans up to any higher or lower standard than
any other group. Since you agree with this and don't believe anyone
should be biased against another group, why are you freaking out? My
position really is a moderate position. I am not suggestion will give
any minority any more rights that the majority.

He's freaking out because he's a freak. He hates everyone, apparently,
who doesn't believe in the Astroturf version of the world that he's
been spoof fed.

Hitting the bong a little early today, eh DePlume?

On 9/2/11 1:39 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...


Fredom of religion, not freedom from religion. The first amendment
doesn't give you the ability to regulate my religion. If you want to get
into defining what a religion is then we can take the discussion in that
direction.

I agree completely with everything you said in the paragraph above. The
Founding Fathers did want people to be able to practice the religion of
their choice, but were emphatic that they did not want the government to
be involved in endorsing any religion. So many of the early colonies
were established because of Europeans having state sponsored religion.
I am Catholic, in the not too distant past Catholics were not considered
Christians and many people called them "Papist" who could not be a good
Americans because they were loyal to the pope. The article from
Wikipedia discusses the history of "papist", but even when Kennedy was
running for president his detractors was calling him a Papist.

The KKK called Catholics Papist and Jew's Christ Killers. We don't want
to return to a period where the majority religion can restrict the
minorities ability to practice the religion of their choice, or the
Catholics and Jews would not be tolerated by many in the majority.

from Wikipedia
Papist is a term, usually disparaging or an anti-Catholic slur,
referring to the Catholic Church, its teaching, practices or adherents.
It was coined during the English Reformation to denote a Christian whose
loyalties were to the Pope, rather than to the Church of England. Over
time, however, it came to mean one who supported Papal authority over
all Christians and thus became a popular term, especially among
Anglicans and Presbyterians. The word, dating from 1534, derives via
Middle French from Latin papa, meaning "Pope".[2]

The word was in common use until the mid-nineteenth century, as shown by
its frequent appearance in Macaulay's History of England from the
Accession of James II and in other historical or controversial works of
that period. It also appeared frequently in the compound form
"Crypto-Papist".[3][4][5]

On 9/2/2011 1:39 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

There are consequences to losing wars.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.

Fredom of religion, not freedom from religion. The first amendment
doesn't give you the ability to regulate my religion. If you want to get
into defining what a religion is then we can take the discussion in that
direction.

Hey Bar, you got a couple ringers visiting today. Just sayin'...

In article d3057615-2e5b-43d7-adf6-1b0e71622d27
@m4g2000pri.googlegroups.com, says...

On Sep 2, 11:42*am, iBoatMore wrote:
In article ,
says...











On 9/2/2011 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:

NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!

The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.

There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

You are completely missing the point, being paranoid. My problem is with
bloomberg, bloomberg supports some religious activity, but not others.
He is allowing Politicians to the ceremony, not Firefighters, Clergy and
Police. It is my opinion he makes these judgements and decisions with
nothing but politics in mind. It seems to be a pattern with bloomberg,
and has nothing to do in my mind with what you are assuming a problem
you think I have with "the Muslim community"..

I guarantee my personal feelings on the Community Center are not what
you think...

Where you are wrong in your thinking is you are acting like Bloomberg IS
allowing Muslims to speak at the ceremony, which is false. IF it were a
"pattern" he'd allow some religions (Muslims) and not others
(Christians}. The Muslim Community Center has absolutely NOTHING to do
with the ceremony for 9/11.

My problem is with Bloomberg not allowing three of the most important
organizations (Firefighters, Clergy, and Police) to participate in the
services, he is turning it into a political statement and stealing it
from New Yorkers. He can't put his own ideology aside, that is my
issue. Please, I don't think I could make it any clearer... so just
call me a racist and get it over with snerk

So why then did you bring up Muslims and the community center?

In article ,
says...

On 9/2/2011 11:22 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.


OH THE CHILDREN, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? AND OLD PEOPLE, AND PUPPY
DOGS... WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. Do you know how inhabited body bag "world
trade center #0001" ?? Do ya'? Just sayin' Either way, find another soap
box to spew your hate...

I didn't see any hate. He's entirely correct.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:14:44 -0400, Your Name Here
wrote:

On 9/2/11 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 11:22 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that
remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".

Can you imagine what would happen if the Native Americans wanted to hold
all Europeans responsible for the historical terrorism committed by
Europeans through out history.

Our founding fathers were very amendment that they believed America
should be a land where all religions are welcomed, and we should have
freedom of religion and even freedom not to have any religion. Many of
our founding fathers were agnostic or deist.


OH THE CHILDREN, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??? AND OLD PEOPLE, AND PUPPY
DOGS... WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. Do you know how inhabited body bag "world
trade center #0001" ?? Do ya'? Just sayin' Either way, find another soap
box to spew your hate...

What hate are you talking about? I am praising the Jews and Native
Americans for not holding all Christians responsible for actions of the
past. I am not holding any group, including Christians, Muslims, Jews,
Africans, Asians and Europeans up to any higher or lower standard than
any other group. Since you agree with this and don't believe anyone
should be biased against another group, why are you freaking out? My
position really is a moderate position. I am not suggestion will give
any minority any more rights that the majority.

He's freaking out because he's a freak. He hates everyone, apparently,
who doesn't believe in the Astroturf version of the world that he's
been spoof fed.

This thread was a debate that was going well until Plume shows up with
name calling and insulting!

On Sep 2, 10:48*am, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:

NYC Policemen and Firefighters are not invited to the 10th anniversary
of 9/11 at Ground Zero.....Because there's not room... They weren't
invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR JOB !
Mayor Bloomberg wants to allow a Mosque at Ground Zero, but won't let Clergy
or Prayer at the tenth anniversary of 9/11. Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....
go to hell!

The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.

Go **** yourself, asswipe.

On 9/2/11 11:27 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 11:17 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/2/11 10:52 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 9/2/2011 10:48 AM, Kulin Remailer wrote:
On 9/2/2011 9:08 AM, JustWait wrote:



NYC Policemen and Firefighters, and Clergy are not invited to the
10th anniversary

of 9/11 at Ground Zero....."Because there's not room"... They weren't

invited on that day in 2001 either. THEY JUST SHOWED UP AND DID THEIR
JOB !

Hey Bloomberg, you are a real piece of crap....

go to hell!



The Muslim community center is neither a mosque nor at ground zero.


There, I fixed it, and as to the "Muslim Community Center", that remains
to be seen...

While it does seem that it will be a Muslim Community Center, what does
it matter if it is a mosque. This group is considered a moderate Muslim
community. As a society We need to encourage improved relationships with
Moderate Muslims. Their are approximately 7 billion Muslim in the world.
The vast majority, especially in the US, want nothing to do with
violence or terrorism. They want to take care of their family, enjoy
life, practice their religion and live in peace. The more we encourage
improved relationship with Muslims, Muslim Communities and Muslim
Countries the safer and more secure the US will be.

The anti Muslim sentiment around the world reminds me of the anti
Catholic and anti Jew sentiment that was and in certain parts of the
world still very common. If the Jews held all Christian responsible for
the actions of some Christians (at times the majority of Christians) we
would have to worry about both Jewish and Muslim terrorist.

As Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along".





You are completely missing the point, being paranoid. My problem is with
bloomberg, bloomberg supports some religious activity, but not others.
He is allowing Politicians to the ceremony, not Firefighters, Clergy and
Police. It is my opinion he makes these judgements and decisions with
nothing but politics in mind. It seems to be a pattern with bloomberg,
and has nothing to do in my mind with what you are assuming a problem
you think I have with "the Muslim community"..

I guarantee my personal feelings on the Community Center are not what
you think...

There were many Muslims who were killed in the WTC. Can you imagine the
uproar if a Muslim was allowed to lead a prayer? It seems that
Bloomberg's decision to focus on the families of those killed was a very
prudent and reasonable decision.

from the AP
The mayor's office says the annual event focuses on relatives of Sept.
11 victims and has never included clergy invocations. Bloomberg has said
it would be impossible to include everyone who would like to participate.

Evelyn Erskine, a Bloomberg spokeswoman, said the program was designed
in coordination with 9/11 families and included readings that were
"spiritual and personal in nature." Six moments of silence were planned
for personal reflection and prayer. Police and fire chaplains who work
with the 9/11 families will attend.

"Rather than have disagreements over which religious leaders
participate, we would like to keep the focus of our commemoration
ceremony on the family members of those who died," Erskine said.

Several New York religious leaders say they understand the mayor's
position. They point to the multitude of religious events surrounding
the anniversary as evidence faith isn't being overlooked. "I just think
a decision was made to give priority to the families. If this means more
families will be attending, I think all of us can accept that," said
Rabbi Joseph Potasnik, executive vice president of the New York Board of
Rabbis.