On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 5, 10:00*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Sep 5, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

====

Absolutely. *It's a form of deferred compensation.

So, maybe I can figure this out.

If after 30+ years i would retire from a company that offers a
retirement account plus a medical package, it is what it is. I retire
from a company that offers a retirement account with a medical
package.

However, if I would retire from the military after 30+ years of
service, I am now classified as sucking off the govt. teat and
bleeding the VA of socialized medicine....

uh-huh

Who said that? The fact is that you collect Social Security? It's call
"Social" for a reason. The VA is run by the gov't. Why don't you push
for privatizing it? Oh wait, you don't want anyone messing with your
benefits.

On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.

On 9/6/11 5:46 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on
September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a
federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of
workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the
Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor
movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a
national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed
into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by
many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was
selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because
Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up
negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been
observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of
you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it
doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty
obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did
you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement
and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American
workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength,
prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a
lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat
through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat,
tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life
that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live
longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have
performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.


The point was over the VA's provision of socialized medicine. You
apparently are not capable of a discussion about the issue. No
surprise...you aren't intellectually or educationally equipped for such
a discussion. Back to your cave.

--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/6/2011 5:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 5:46 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring
labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on
September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a
federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of
workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the
Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor
movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a
national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed
into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by
many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was
selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because
Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up
negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been
observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and
the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of
you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it
doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty
obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did
you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement
and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American
workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength,
prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a
lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat
through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat,
tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life
that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat,
take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come
back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live
longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have
performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.


The point was over the VA's provision of socialized medicine. You
apparently are not capable of a discussion about the issue. No
surprise...you aren't intellectually or educationally equipped for such
a discussion. Back to your cave.


The point IS any bennies metered out to veterans is small potatoes
compared to the way those critters on the hill reward themselves. I
really don't give a **** how you spin it.

On Sep 6, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Sep 5, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

That's a comprehensive answer, but I wasn't saying after 4 years. I
said retiring with 30+ years. (Military retirement can be activated
after 20)

I was looking at the difference between a civil retirement package
compared to a civilian retirement package, and wondering why the
military retirement benefits would be considered as 'socialized'
medicine.

On 9/6/11 6:23 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 5:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 5:46 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring
labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on
September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a
federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of
workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the
Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor
movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a
national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed
into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by
many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was
selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because
Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up
negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been
observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and
the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of
you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it
doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty
obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did
you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement
and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American
workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength,
prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a
lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat
through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat,
tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life
that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you
wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat,
take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come
back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live
longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have
performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.


The point was over the VA's provision of socialized medicine. You
apparently are not capable of a discussion about the issue. No
surprise...you aren't intellectually or educationally equipped for such
a discussion. Back to your cave.


The point IS any bennies metered out to veterans is small potatoes
compared to the way those critters on the hill reward themselves. I
really don't give a **** how you spin it.


Perhaps that is the point in your unprepared, uneducated, ignorant mind.
*The* point is that what vets receive in terms of VA medical care
is a form of socialized medicine. The size of the potatoes is not
relevant to the discussion of what is or what is not socialism.

I know it is difficult for a peabrain like you, but you ought to try to
stay on the topic being discussed here. What the VA provides to vets is
socialized medicine.



--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:51:13 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:46:43 -0400, BeachBum "not a
wrote:

On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.

I'm not Plume, either. Those **** heads on the hill haven't earned
their medical coverage OR their pay.

And I stick by my statements above.

Oh yes you are! Oh wait.... lol

Sorry... the righties will take the previous statement as fact, and
for that I apologize!

On 9/6/2011 7:08 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 6:23 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 5:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 5:46 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 4:59 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24 pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400,
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring
labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on
September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a
federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of
workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the
Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor
movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a
national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed
into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September
date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by
many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was
selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because
Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up
negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been
observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and
the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of
you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it
doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/


What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty
obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did
you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement
and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American
workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength,
prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a
lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you
will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view,
that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat
through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat,
tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life
that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you
wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat,
take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come
back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live
longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have
performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with
your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

Check out the bennies those critters on the hill receive after as
little
as one term. And then come back to us and admit you are full of **** up
to your eyeballs, Ms Plume.


The point was over the VA's provision of socialized medicine. You
apparently are not capable of a discussion about the issue. No
surprise...you aren't intellectually or educationally equipped for such
a discussion. Back to your cave.


The point IS any bennies metered out to veterans is small potatoes
compared to the way those critters on the hill reward themselves. I
really don't give a **** how you spin it.


Perhaps that is the point in your unprepared, uneducated, ignorant mind.
*The* point is that what vets receive in terms of VA medical care
is a form of socialized medicine. The size of the potatoes is not
relevant to the discussion of what is or what is not socialism.

I know it is difficult for a peabrain like you, but you ought to try to
stay on the topic being discussed here. What the VA provides to vets is
socialized medicine.



You are a ****ing joke. Why should anyone be required to stay focused on
a ridiculous off topic assertion of what is or isn't socialized
medicine? Who gives a ****? There's a lot bigger fish to fry.

On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 6, 3:59*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









On Sep 5, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

That's a comprehensive answer, but I wasn't saying after 4 years. I
said retiring with 30+ years. (Military retirement can be activated
after 20)

I was looking at the difference between a civil retirement package
compared to a civilian retirement package, and wondering why the
military retirement benefits would be considered as 'socialized'
medicine.

Well, since Tim is unwilling to either read or respond, I guess he's
unaware of what gov't run actually means?

On Sep 6, 6:03*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 6, 3:59*pm, wrote:









On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 18:36:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Sep 5, 7:24*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 10:02:42 -0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:42:58 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 07:58:29 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 16:44:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:06:20 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:35:09 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 09:33:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:24:00 -0700, wrote:

I'm sure they're got plans to not work, since honoring labor is
equivalent to honoring evil.

The first big Labor Day in the United States was observed on September
5, 1882, by the Central Labor Union of New York. It became a federal
holiday in 1894, when, following the deaths of a number of workers at
the hands of the U.S. military and U.S. Marshals during the Pullman
Strike, President Grover Cleveland reconciled with the labor movement.
Fearing further conflict, legislation making Labor Day a national
holiday was rushed through Congress unanimously and signed into law a
mere six days after the end of the strike. The September date
originally chosen by the CLU of New York and observed by many of the
nation's trade unions for the past several years was selected rather
than the more widespread International Workers' Day because Cleveland
was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative
emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to
commemorate. All U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and the
territories have made it a statutory holiday.

Nice cut-and-paste from Wikipedia, Harry would be so proud of you.

Would you like to know the *truth*? Probably not, since it doesn't
follow the party line, but here it is:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/02/opinio...r-day-history/

What I posted is not much difference, so the truth is pretty obvious.
It's to celebrate labor. Do you disagree?

I absolutely disagree. Are you blinded by your own words? Did you not
say, "since honoring labor is equivalent to honoring evil?"

Labor day is a National Holiday to remember the labor movement and its
dedication to the social and economic achievements of American workers
who have made great sacrifices to further the strength, prosperity,
and well-being of this country.

The labor movement is not more intrinsically evil than the
corporations they seek to offset. I think you will agree that a lot
more laborers have been killed (percentage wise, if you will) in
performing their labor than CEOs. That skyscraper you view, that
bridge you cross, and that lock you take you imaginary boat through,
were all built at the cost of American labor's blood, sweat, tears,
and sometime lives.

This is a time when my family takes time to remember the deep
sacrifices of our forbears. We wouldn't have the grand life that we
have now, without their sacrifice. You spend the day as you wish.

Hate if you will, but I'll not agree with you. Go buy a boat, take
some time to smell the roses, calm down, get a grip, and come back
here when you aren't so angry and full of hate. You will live longer
and enjoy life more.

Labor Day is a day to remember those who perform or have performed labor.

Amen.

In your own mind.

Fact:
http://www.dol.gov/opa/aboutdol/laborday.htm

More liberal crap.

Of course.. anything from the gov't is bad, but don't mess with your
SS and Medicare, right dummy?

Don't forget all of that evil socialized medicine he gladly accepts
from the VA.

That's a new one one me....I didn't realize VA benies were
'socialized' I thought they were earned for serving in the military

In this context, "Socialized medicine is a term used to describe a
system for providing medical and hospital care for all [veterans] at a
nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and
subsidies derived from taxation."

Nobody "earns" a lifetime of free healthcare for 4 years of military
duty. We have enough civil servants that wear a bullet proof vest for
30 years just to get a retirement and they pay their own way (for
life) with respect to healthcare.

The VA is, by any reasonable understanding, a textbook example of
socialized medicine.

That's a comprehensive answer, but I wasn't saying after 4 years. I
said retiring with 30+ years. (Military retirement can be activated
after 20)

I was looking at the difference between a civil retirement package
compared to a civilian retirement package, and wondering why the
military retirement benefits would be considered as 'socialized'
medicine.

OOPS! I just noticed what i said. let me do that one over

I was looking at the difference between a civil retirement package
compared to a military retirement package, and wondering why the
military retirement benefits would be considered as 'socialized'
medicine?

correction made.