Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Clams Canino wrote:

I'm bored so I'll comment.
I dissagree.
I think the *public* is split about 50/50 - thus the balance of power swings
back and forth. We're talking about radio here. I think Rush is smarter,
wittier, and more charismatic than anything the left has tried to throw up
on talk radio. I've said for a long time that the left needs a talent like
Rush to get an opposing radio show off the ground. Good talk radio talent is
HARD to find. Look at the rise of Howard Stern through the 90's. Love him,
or hate him, he's still a one off radio talent. So's Rush.

-W (heard Stern ONCE back when he was in DC and said to my wife "this guy
is going to be HUGE in radio")



There's no mainstreamer on the left who has the stomach to spew as much
hatred as Rush does.

Except maybe you, Gould, or JPS! Well, maybe you or Gould, JPS is just too dumb.


But, hey, the Bush Administration has created so many openings with its
lies the last few weeks, reporters don't what to write about first.
Maybe we don't need anyone like Rush to chip away at Bush's teflon.

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
m...
Harry Krause wrote in message
...

There's no mainstreamer on the left who has the stomach to spew as much
hatred as Rush does.

Except maybe you, Gould, or JPS! Well, maybe you or Gould, JPS is just too
dumb.

This from one of the great braintrusts of rec.boats. You should concentrate
on outboards.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:07:28 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

The left isn't filled with angry young men who need a gasbag like Rush
to put their thoughts into words for them

You meant angry young *white* men, right? There are plenty of angry young
black men, angry young lesbians, and angry young gay men on the left. I
guess there's just not enough of them to propel a left-leaning satirist into
a position where anybody even notices...or cares.

See, this is a mistake--a tactical error, if you will.

Making a statement like this one without being aware of the facts leaves you
open to being shot down by a single counterexample.

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Left"
by Al Franken (E.P. Dutton; (August 29, 2003) ISBN: 0525947647) is #2 on the New
York Times Bestseller list for nonfiction. It was number 1 last week, and has
been on the list for 6 weeks.

While you may not like or appreciate Franken's brand of left-leaning humor and
satire, hitting the number two spot on the NYT Bestseller list is no mean
feat--and it's the kind of counterexample I referred to.

Also (since I seem to be on a roll here), the number 4 spot is held by that
darling of Conservative America (NOT), Molly Ivins, with her "Bushwacked." This
is her first week on the list, so it will be interesting to see where her book
goes.

OB. BOAT CONTENT:

I got nothing.

Joe Parsons

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the
Left"
by Al Franken (E.P. Dutton; (August 29, 2003) ISBN: 0525947647) is #2 on the
New
York Times Bestseller list for nonfiction. It was number 1 last week, and
has
been on the list for 6 weeks.

While you may not like or appreciate Franken's brand of left-leaning humor
and
satire, hitting the number two spot on the NYT Bestseller list is no mean
feat--and it's the kind of counterexample I referred to.

Also (since I seem to be on a roll here), the number 4 spot is held by that
darling of Conservative America (NOT), Molly Ivins, with her "Bushwacked."
This
is her first week on the list, so it will be interesting to see where her
book
goes.

OB. BOAT CONTENT:

I got nothing.

Joe Parsons

(Joke follows. Install sense of humor now

Could it be that there are a lot of liberal books on the NYT best seller lists
because the typical conservative already blew his or her entire book budget for
the year buying "Treason" by A. Coulter, and it will take them from now until
the 2004 elections to sound out the bigger words?

(Joke ends.)

They're both just a flash in the pan. People are interested in them right
now in the same way you gawk at a really bad car accident.

BTW--who is #1 on the list? grin




"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:07:28 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

The left isn't filled with angry young men who need a gasbag like Rush
to put their thoughts into words for them

You meant angry young *white* men, right? There are plenty of angry
young
black men, angry young lesbians, and angry young gay men on the left. I
guess there's just not enough of them to propel a left-leaning satirist
into
a position where anybody even notices...or cares.

See, this is a mistake--a tactical error, if you will.

Making a statement like this one without being aware of the facts leaves
you
open to being shot down by a single counterexample.

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the
Left"
by Al Franken (E.P. Dutton; (August 29, 2003) ISBN: 0525947647) is #2 on
the New
York Times Bestseller list for nonfiction. It was number 1 last week, and
has
been on the list for 6 weeks.

While you may not like or appreciate Franken's brand of left-leaning humor
and
satire, hitting the number two spot on the NYT Bestseller list is no mean
feat--and it's the kind of counterexample I referred to.

Also (since I seem to be on a roll here), the number 4 spot is held by
that
darling of Conservative America (NOT), Molly Ivins, with her "Bushwacked."
This
is her first week on the list, so it will be interesting to see where her
book
goes.

OB. BOAT CONTENT:

I got nothing.

Joe Parsons

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the
Left"
by Al Franken (E.P. Dutton; (August 29, 2003) ISBN: 0525947647) is #2 on
the
New
York Times Bestseller list for nonfiction. It was number 1 last week,
and
has
been on the list for 6 weeks.

While you may not like or appreciate Franken's brand of left-leaning
humor
and
satire, hitting the number two spot on the NYT Bestseller list is no mean
feat--and it's the kind of counterexample I referred to.

Also (since I seem to be on a roll here), the number 4 spot is held by
that
darling of Conservative America (NOT), Molly Ivins, with her
"Bushwacked."
This
is her first week on the list, so it will be interesting to see where her
book
goes.

OB. BOAT CONTENT:

I got nothing.

Joe Parsons

(Joke follows. Install sense of humor now

Could it be that there are a lot of liberal books on the NYT best seller
lists
because the typical conservative already blew his or her entire book
budget for
the year buying "Treason" by A. Coulter, and it will take them from now
until
the 2004 elections to sound out the bigger words?


Perhaps. But thanks to the Bush tax rebate, we were able to buy enough
copies of "Who's Looking Out for You?" to make it #1.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:44:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

They're both just a flash in the pan. People are interested in them right
now in the same way you gawk at a really bad car accident.

Really? Was Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot: And Other
Observations" a flash in the pan, as well? If that's true, then why is it at
198 on Amazon's sales rank--four years after its publication?

Is "Lies" at #4 in Amazon's ranking because people are "gawking" at it?

And his other work, "Oh, The Things I Know! A Guide to Success, Or, Failing
That, Happiness," published in March of this year, is around 4,200.

This is not about whether you agree with Franken, of course; I'm simply showing
how certain unverified assertions can dismantle an argument, if one is not
careful.

For what it's worth, I find more people who self-identify as "liberal" reading
conservative commentators and authors than I do "conservatives" reading liberal
texts. In general, those who tend to read the likes of Rush Limbaugh (and
recently, his tag-along kid brother, David), O'Reilly, Coulter and the like,
seem to restrict their reading and listening to those who will reinforce and
confirm the beliefs they already hold.

Last month, for example, someone made a comment about Al Franken's earlier
effort, "Rush Limbaugh...." He said, "The title is not supported with any known
facts." In saying that, he demonstrated that, if he had read that particular
book, he did not do so carefully, or critically. As it turns out, both of
Franken's overtly political books are quite well researched and documented.
This doesn't mean they are "good," or even useful--but any arguer will find
himself at a disadvantage by making assertions that can be so easily disproved.

I'm going to go think about my boats for a while.

Joe Parsons



BTW--who is #1 on the list? grin

"NOYB" wrote in message
m...

Perhaps. But thanks to the Bush tax rebate, we were able to buy enough
copies of "Who's Looking Out for You?" to make it #1.

Taking over first place in the right wing fabricators club.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 04:17:56 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 02:35:43 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

For what it's worth, I find more people who self-identify as "liberal" reading
conservative commentators and authors than I do "conservatives" reading liberal
texts. In general, those who tend to read the likes of Rush Limbaugh (and
recently, his tag-along kid brother, David), O'Reilly, Coulter and the like,
seem to restrict their reading and listening to those who will reinforce and
confirm the beliefs they already hold.

But a few posts before, Joe says :

"Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the
Left" by Al Franken (E.P. Dutton; (August 29, 2003) ISBN: 0525947647) is
#2 on the New York Times Bestseller list for nonfiction. It was number
1 last week, and has been on the list for 6 weeks.


So, the conservatives are reading these or the liberals are speed
readers?

I don't pretend to know specifically *who* is reading any of these books,
although I did report what my own observation has been.

But I don't know that a book needs to have both "liberals" and "conservatives"
buying it in order to reach the NYT Bestseller list or to achieve a high ranking
with Amazon. I mentioned those statistics only to provide a counterexample for
a statement: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:44:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

They're both just a flash in the pan. People are interested in them right
now in the same way you gawk at a really bad car accident.

My point was, as it is now, that making an assertion that is so easily
undermined can destroy a point someone is trying to make.

Duh

"Duh?"

Joe Parsons

jps wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
m...

Perhaps. But thanks to the Bush tax rebate, we were able to buy enough
copies of "Who's Looking Out for You?" to make it #1.

Taking over first place in the right wing fabricators club.


Ahhh..those right-wing bulk buys again.

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