On 9/24/2011 2:05 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:47:56 -0400, JustWait
wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree! BUT, when someone acts like they are absolutely
SURE that a fetus is a human, then he must know when a fertilized egg
becomes a human.

I don't have a puppy in that fight. ;-)

... nor should the government.


But they did get involved. Rowe vs Wade. It's settled law according to
the Supreme Court, the govt. is involved.

If the government had not become involved before that there would be
no need for R v W.

Ok, my timeline was off, but when the SCOTUS got involved, they owned it..

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:16:18 -0400, Drifter wrote:

On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

He can't. Wayne knows it. John knows it. Do you know it?

I didn't see Kevin's comment 'cause he's filtered.

Kevin, if you're watching, what question would you like answered? If it is, "When does a fertilized
egg become a fetus?", then I would say when it takes the form of humanity.

I'm not, Kevin, going to unfilter you, so please get someone else to respond to your posts if you
desire them answered.

On 24/09/2011 7:56 AM, BAR wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't
understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my
religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really
asking a "gotcha" question anyway...

BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather
President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion.
snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are
looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working
with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said,
"if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't
want to know, why ask?

Obama is a Muslim.

Pretty obvious.


--
First rule of holes: If you're in one, don't keep digging.
So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt?

On 24/09/2011 6:24 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months back.

Agreed, they do and that is why I brought it up. Lots of reasons a
fetus gets aborted that are quit natural.

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also annoying.

Good way to put it. When the fetus becomes viable as a self sustaining
human being, it is then a human. But not before.
--
First rule of holes: If you're in one, don't keep digging.
So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt?

On 24/09/2011 7:09 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months back.


Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.


Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also annoying.

So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human?

I figure about the time that through birth, there s a reasonable
expectation and without millions spent, the product of conception can
breath, think, move on its own. Say 7 1/2 months to 9 months.

At say 8 weeks, not a human.
--
First rule of holes: If you're in one, don't keep digging.
So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt?

On 9/24/2011 4:02 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 24/09/2011 6:24 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue
that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months
back.

Agreed, they do and that is why I brought it up. Lots of reasons a fetus
gets aborted that are quit natural.

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also
annoying.

Good way to put it. When the fetus becomes viable as a self sustaining
human being, it is then a human. But not before.
Self sustaining, like when fetus gets a job and pays his own way, he
finally becomes human. Interesting theory.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:02:23 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:

On 24/09/2011 6:24 AM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:51:47 -0600, wrote:

On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Natural miscarriages occur. My daughter went through one a few months back.

Agreed, they do and that is why I brought it up. Lots of reasons a
fetus gets aborted that are quit natural.

I'll have to admit to having no problem with 'natural' abortions. In fact, I didn't even know they
were under discussion.

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Saying a fetus isn't a baby, with no regard to viability, is also annoying.

Good way to put it. When the fetus becomes viable as a self sustaining
human being, it is then a human. But not before.

They get killed afterwards.

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0400, BAR wrote:

So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human?

At conception.

===

That's a religious view not supportable by any logic or science. It
even fails the common sense test. You are entitled to your beliefs
as long as you don't try to legislate them for everyone else.

On 9/24/2011 6:08 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0400, wrote:

So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human?

At conception.

===

That's a religious view not supportable by any logic or science. It
even fails the common sense test. You are entitled to your beliefs
as long as you don't try to legislate them for everyone else.


What do you care? We have abortion on demand now, what more do you want?
You have taken the parents out of the equation, which "even fails the
common sense test". Like I said before, compromise for abortion
advocates, and most other zealots is just a means to an end.. Now that
you have it 100% your way you want it to be considered settled law, and
nobody else can have an opinion on it.. I get it.

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On 24/09/2011 7:56 AM, BAR wrote:
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says...

On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote:

When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that
it was only a fetus?

So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with
the bible in hand?

Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+
weeks or so.

Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file
when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend
much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal
views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much
keep our beliefs to ourselves...

So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou
John won't.

What's the old saying... "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't
understand". Being a Christian Liberatarian, I can't condone pushing my
religious views on anybody, particularly someone who is only really
asking a "gotcha" question anyway...

BTW, I noticed you all never answered his question as to weather
President Obama is a liar or a hypocrite when it comes to his religion.
snerk You really don't want to have a civil discussion, you are
looking to further the argument. Didn't work with Tim, isn't working
with John, and it probably won't work with anybody else, like I said,
"if you don't know, I can't explain it to you". And really, if you don't
want to know, why ask?

Obama is a Muslim.

Pretty obvious.

He stated it to George Snuffalufagus.