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says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 14:05:03 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 12:47:56 -0400, JustWait wrote: I wholeheartedly agree! BUT, when someone acts like they are absolutely SURE that a fetus is a human, then he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. I don't have a puppy in that fight. ;-) ... nor should the government. But they did get involved. Rowe vs Wade. It's settled law according to the Supreme Court, the govt. is involved. If the government had not become involved before that there would be no need for R v W. "With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger." --James Wilson - A Framer of the US Constitution Until the fundie churches got involved by social engineering and the law after 1800, there was no prohibition against abortion performed prior to quickening(18-20 weeks). It's "commencement" would be birth. |
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says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:16:18 -0400, Drifter wrote: On 9/24/2011 9:08 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. He can't. Wayne knows it. John knows it. Do you know it? I didn't see Kevin's comment 'cause he's filtered. Kevin, if you're watching, what question would you like answered? If it is, "When does a fertilized egg become a fetus?", then I would say when it takes the form of humanity. I'm not, Kevin, going to unfilter you, so please get someone else to respond to your posts if you desire them answered. Awe look, John's trying to act as stupid as Don. And I think he's progressing nicely! |
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On 9/25/2011 6:57 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/24/11 12:47 PM, JustWait wrote: On 9/24/2011 12:39 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:13:41 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:08:42 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 9/24/2011 2:51 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 23/09/2011 6:54 PM, John H wrote: When your wife asked you to feel the baby kicking, did you argue that it was only a fetus? So if at 7 months, the woman miscarries, you beat her up for murder with the bible in hand? Your tag line is stupid and annoying. And that doesn't start until 20+ weeks or so. Well, I dare say you have a lot of nerve going after John for a sig file when you are by far the very most prolific poster on the group and spend much more time and many more paragraphs promoting your own personal views on others... But then you go after those of us who pretty much keep our beliefs to ourselves... So, why don't YOU give answers to Wayne's questions? Holier than thou John won't. There are still several unanswered questions out there. I wholeheartedly agree! BUT, when someone acts like they are absolutely SURE that a fetus is a human, then he must know when a fertilized egg becomes a human. I don't have a puppy in that fight. ;-) ... nor should the government. But they did get involved. Rowe vs Wade. It's settled law according to the Supreme Court, the govt. is involved. D'uh. What about the conservative states working overtime to outlaw abortion or to make it nearly impossible to get one? Or are you not aware of those developments, either? You have a say in Maryland Politics. Other States' politics are none of your business. Last time I checked we are still free to move about the country, unless O/bama changed that. |
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On 9/25/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/25/11 10:44 AM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:30:20 -0400, wrote: Should men have to pay child support when they wanted the fetus aborted? Yes, Why? They didn't want the fetus carried to term. They should have kept it in their pants or used a rubber. Actions have consequences People with BAR's religious beliefs are against mechanical or pharmaceutical contraception. So what did you do when your offspring came crying to you "Daddy I'm pregnant" |
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On 24/09/2011 5:11 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:31:39 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 9/24/2011 6:08 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 09:57:46 -0400, wrote: So answer his question. Just when does a fertilized egg become a human? At conception. === That's a religious view not supportable by any logic or science. It even fails the common sense test. You are entitled to your beliefs as long as you don't try to legislate them for everyone else. What do you care? We have abortion on demand now, what more do you want? You have taken the parents out of the equation, which "even fails the common sense test". Like I said before, compromise for abortion advocates, and most other zealots is just a means to an end.. Now that you have it 100% your way you want it to be considered settled law, and nobody else can have an opinion on it.. I get it. It actually was "settled law" until the religious zealots, with whom you apparently identify, tried to make their religious opinion a secular law. There is no such thing as "settled law." It is sad that parents had to be "taken out of the equation," but there are parents that, due to religious convictions, will allow children to starve, go without medical treatment, and other (secularly) ridiculous actions. Even now, there are parents that feel that NOT vaccinating their children (boys AND girls) against HPV, which causes cervical cancer, will keep then chaste and pure. They are even taking their position to court to defend their right as parents to allow their children to get cervical cancer. But that is sane, right? Parents have been taken out of the equation because the liberals beliefs are contrary to those of conservatives and the liberals cannot stand to let others live their own lives. Actually, when it comes to abortion and religion, drop the liberal and conservative thing. Bot sides have their fanatics that feel the right to tell others what to do. Libertarian versus statism might have better alignment. Comes down to how much do you believe others have the rights to make their own choices? -- First rule of holes: If you're in one, don't keep digging. So in the hole, why do we insanely want more debt? |
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