(This is perfectly practical for people who own kayaks/canoes... Load
your boat and head to an island. Will they find you there?)

I've never thought I'd be asking such a loaded question:

(I quote)

My idea of “Living Off the Grid” is a return to a local economy that
has been destroyed by Big Box retailers and world-wide travel. If the
economy continues down it’s current path, I may just get my wish. I
would like to see an economy where the price to the environment is
more reflective of the price tag the consumer sees. I think a lot of
people have a delusion of living off their own sweat and work by
themselves. This is not realistic. Humans are meant to live in groups
and work together. We should use the existing infrastructure but not
rely on it so much as we do today.

MORE!
http://www.livingoffgrid.org/what-do...d-mean-to-you/

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Now, assume this community is South Beach. We install some windmills
in South Pointe, backed up by solar panels, and we are off the grid!
Don't call me Quixotic. Those technologies are perfectly practical,
the sun is there, the wind is there, and the giant (the electric power
monopoly) is there. We already have the bikes, so we are ready to dump
our vehicles and move on. Mine is ready to junk.


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On Sep 26, 2:24 pm, bo peep wrote:
On Sep 26, 9:09 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Now, assume this community is South
Beach. We install some windmills

in South Pointe, backed up by solar panels, and we are off the grid!

Not quite - the "grid" also includes water coming in, and sewage going
out. In many areas (but probably not Florida) either natural gas or
oil for heat. Many places charge for garbage pickup and recycling
activities.

I know but not nearly as much. Electric monopoly is the next Hungry
Lion after Big Oil. But not even big oil has a monopoly in this sense.

Is there a monopoly? This investigation, done in 1928, found the
answer to be YES:

(I QUOTE)

The sum total of these investigations and studies is the positive and
well-supported conclusion that a Nation-wide, organized, persistent,
increasing
movement to monopolize the electric power of these United States
actually does exist.
There is an electric power monopoly.
Moreover, there is an electric power monopoly organized and financed,
not for fair and efficient public service, but for ruthless
exploitation, uninterrupted
and unrestrained by anything approaching effctive Government
intervention or control.

http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xm...pdf?sequence=1

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What has changed? I don't know.

Many infrastructure company or many hotels and catering servies have good planner. Make business grown they have good planner. In many hotels have make different dishes and wonderful dressing of the hotel room.

On Sep 27, 1:41*am, kevinandrew
wrote:
Many infrastructure company or many hotels and catering servies have
good planner. Make business grown they have good planner. In many hotels
have make different dishes and wonderful dressing of the hotel room.

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kevinandrew

Very deep, so deep that I didn't understand a word.

On Sep 28, 1:06 pm, Wilson wrote:
Excerpt from The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal
Your Money, by Timothy P. Carney

"If regulation is costly, why would big business favor it? Precisely
because it is costly.

Regulation adds to the basic cost of doing business, thus heightening
barriers to entry and reducing the number of competitors. Thinning out
the competition allows surviving firms to charge higher prices to
customers and demand lower prices from suppliers. Overall regulation
adds to overhead and is a net boon to those who can afford it big
business.

Put another way, regulation can stultify the market. If you re already
at the top, stultification is better than the robust dynamism of the
free market. And according to Nobel Laureate economist Milton Friedman:

/"The great virtue of free enterprise is that it forces existing
businesses to meet the test of the market continuously, to produce
products that meet consumer demands at lowest cost, or else be driven
from the market. It is a profit-and-loss system. Naturally, existing
businesses prefer to keep out competitors in other ways. That is why the
business community, despite its rhetoric, has so often been a major
enemy of truly free enterprise."/

There is an additional systemic reason why regulation will help big
business. Congress passes the laws that order new regulations, and
executive branch agencies actually construct the regulations. The
politicians and government lawyers who write these rules rarely do so
without input. Often the rule makers ask for advice and information from
labor unions, consumer groups, environmental groups, and industry
itself. Among industry the stakeholders (beltway parlance to describe
affected parties) who have the most input are those who can hire the
most effective and most connective lobbyists. You can guess this isn t
Mom and Pop.

As a result, the details of the regulation are often carefully crafted
to benefit, or at least not hurt, big business. If something does not
hurt you, or hurts you a little while seriously hindering your
competition, it is a boon, on balance.

Another reason big business often cries regulate me! is the goodwill
factor. If a politician or bureaucrat wants to play a role in some
industry, and some executive says, get lost, he runs the risk of
offending this powerful person. That s bad diplomacy. Bureaucrats, by
their nature, do not like to be told to mind their own business.
Supporting the idea of regulation but lobbying for particular details is
usually better politics.

--
Wilson

I'm glad you are coming out on the right side of the Class War, ie.
against the corporations that hold a monopoly in disguise
(camouflage). Anyway it also explains why other alternatives are kept
down so they can benefit even more from that monopoly. Case in point:

"THE ELECTRIC BIKE IS THE FUTURE RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW"

Electric bikes and electric cars run on coal for fuel.

True, THEY ARE ON THE GRID, but to a much lesser degree than cars.
It's a matter of physics (mass) not politics. Now you may argue that
you can pedal a bike at will, so eventually you leave the battery for
very dire situations.

The electric bike is a solution we've been looking for when we say the
revolution is about solutions. I'm afraid FPL* doesn't want you to
notice and they put up there some good PR about electric cars --trying
to look good. Most of the time you don't need a car. Period.

They are a Hungry Corporation that benefits from your stupidity. And
you don't need to take a loan either.

* The Electric Power Corporation, FPL= Florida Power & Light.

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The laws of nature dictate that the lion hates competition, killing
smaller, smarter competitors.


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