Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.
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I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.


I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.



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I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

In article ,
says...

On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.


I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.

Bull****, the most modern day drug tests can be beaten.

On 9/29/2011 11:34 AM, X ` Man wrote:

I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

What an extraordinarily dumb statement.

On 9/29/2011 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.


Harry is just trying to stir you up with hearsay opinions gathered up by
this BILL KACZOR fella. Who is this guy anyway? All this without a
single word of original comment by our own writer boy, Krause.
So why do you answer Krause's cut and paste with your thoughtful
response? I know you like to talk politics but why don't hold your
responses for *legitimate* debaters?

On 9/29/11 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:41 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.


I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.

This is the $30 reagent test, not the $150 gas chromatograph test.

Anyone can beat any test by abstaining a while anyway, each drug is
different. The real ugly ones burn out the fastest.


Marijuana in your test results is enough to get you tossed off a
construction job, and mj lingers a long time, longer than you might
think...plus, the tests typically are given on a random schedule.



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I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On Sep 29, 7:17*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:









On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs..
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.

I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.

This is the $30 reagent test, not the $150 gas chromatograph test.

Anyone can beat any test by abstaining a while anyway, each drug is
different. The real ugly ones burn out the fastest.

If you want to see the drug history, do a hair sample and look at the
growth time.

It tells a lot.

On 9/29/2011 8:47 PM, Tim wrote:
On Sep 29, 7:17 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:41 -0400, X `
wrote:









On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.

I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.

This is the $30 reagent test, not the $150 gas chromatograph test.

Anyone can beat any test by abstaining a while anyway, each drug is
different. The real ugly ones burn out the fastest.

If you want to see the drug history, do a hair sample and look at the
growth time.

It tells a lot.

It's really not the ones who have the control to quit for a couple weeks
before a test that we are worried about in my opinion.

On 9/29/2011 8:45 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/29/11 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:41 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he
called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say
they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald
column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public
assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families
officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.
On the other hand that is an important skill because you have to take
a drug test for just about any job you might want to have ...
including any job that involves government money.
Are government workers more likely to be drug users? They all have to
take drug tests.


I guarantee you that if the state were using a modern drug test and
proper procedures for running it, "beating" the test would be nearly
impossible.

Your information regarding the validity of modern tests is out of date.

This is the $30 reagent test, not the $150 gas chromatograph test.

Anyone can beat any test by abstaining a while anyway, each drug is
different. The real ugly ones burn out the fastest.


Marijuana in your test results is enough to get you tossed off a
construction job, and mj lingers a long time, longer than you might
think...plus, the tests typically are given on a random schedule.




Looks like there are two Pseudo doctors in the Krause family.

On Sep 29, 8:01*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 9/29/2011 8:47 PM, Tim wrote:









On Sep 29, 7:17 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:34:41 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 9/29/11 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:32:01 -0400, X `
wrote:

Fla. welfare applicants less likely to use drugs
By BILL KACZOR , 09.28.11, 08:23 AM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Preliminary figures on a new Florida law
requiring drug tests for welfare applicants show that they are less
likely than other people to use drugs, not more. One famous Floridian
suggests that it's the people who came up with the law who should be
submitting specimens.

Columnist and best-selling author Carl Hiaasen offered to pay for drug
testing for all 160 members of the Florida Legislature in what he called
"a patriotic whiz-fest." Several of the law's supporters say they're on
board.

"There is a certain public interest in going after hypocrisy," Hiaasen
said Tuesday, two days after he made his proposal in a Miami Herald column.

"Folks that are applying for DCF (Department of Children and Families)
money normally wouldn't be standing in that line, and on top of that
humiliation they now get to pee in a cup so they can get grocery money
for their kids," Hiaasen told The Associated Press in an interview at
his Vero Beach home.

Gov. Rick Scott and other supporters of the law - the only one of its
kind currently on the books in the U.S. - say the tests will save the
state cash by weeding out people who would use welfare money on drugs.
Critics say that just a few months after it went into effect, the law
has already refuted the idea that people receiving public assistance are
more likely to use drugs.

Preliminary figures show that about 2.5 percent of up to 2,000
applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families have tested
positive since the law went into effect in July. Another 2 percent
declined to take the test, Department of Children and Families officials
say.

All it really does is prove these people know how to beat a drug test.