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On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:08:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some
anti-business fleabagger site.

I am surprised the Peoples Republic of Venezuela is so high. I would
have thought the Dear Leader Hugo would have achieved parity between all
workers by now.


I suspect some socialists developed Harry's 'statistics'.

But the question is, do you have some other data to dispute these
numbers? Didn't think so.

Dispute numbers pulled out of thin air? It is up to Harry to provide a
source for the numbers.

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says...

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On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he pull
it from a leftist union rag?

On 10/7/11 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he pull
it from a leftist union rag?


Neither, BirdBrain. The numbers, especially the one pertaining to the
USA, has been discussed in the media for at least a generation. It's
gone up and down a little, but the ratio is pretty much the same. It
isn't my fault if you are ignorant of the reality that the super rich
get that way mostly by ****ing the middle class.

Here's a bit of the info you seek:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...010/45634384/1

And mo

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-re...2-million/1649


According to the second article, average CEO pay is $12 million a year.
I believe the average worker's annual pay is about $35,000 a year.

$12,000,000 / $35,000 = 342. Now the ratio may be higher or lower,
depending upon whose figures you use, but the fact remains that USA
CEO's are grossly overpaid compared to worker bees, and it is especially
egregious when you factor in what many CEO's are doing these days to
American workers: shipping their jobs offshore and drastically downsizing.

It is not my fault or problem if you righties have your heads stuck so
far up your asses you can see your tonsils.

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

X ` Man wrote:
On 10/7/11 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far
too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some
anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he pull
it from a leftist union rag?


Neither, BirdBrain. The numbers, especially the one pertaining to the
USA, has been discussed in the media for at least a generation. It's
gone up and down a little, but the ratio is pretty much the same. It
isn't my fault if you are ignorant of the reality that the super rich
get that way mostly by ****ing the middle class.

Here's a bit of the info you seek:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...010/45634384/1


And mo

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-re...2-million/1649



According to the second article, average CEO pay is $12 million a year.
I believe the average worker's annual pay is about $35,000 a year.

$12,000,000 / $35,000 = 342. Now the ratio may be higher or lower,
depending upon whose figures you use, but the fact remains that USA
CEO's are grossly overpaid compared to worker bees, and it is
especially egregious when you factor in what many CEO's are doing
these days to American workers: shipping their jobs offshore and
drastically downsizing.

It is not my fault or problem if you righties have your heads stuck so
far up your asses you can see your tonsils.


Yet the CEO's percentage of the company's payroll is insignificant.
Statisticians can make anything look good - or bad, silly!

-HB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

On 07/10/2011 6:46 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 10/7/11 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far
too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some
anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he pull
it from a leftist union rag?


Neither, BirdBrain. The numbers, especially the one pertaining to the
USA, has been discussed in the media for at least a generation. It's
gone up and down a little, but the ratio is pretty much the same. It
isn't my fault if you are ignorant of the reality that the super rich
get that way mostly by ****ing the middle class.

Here's a bit of the info you seek:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...010/45634384/1


And mo

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-re...2-million/1649



According to the second article, average CEO pay is $12 million a year.
I believe the average worker's annual pay is about $35,000 a year.

$12,000,000 / $35,000 = 342. Now the ratio may be higher or lower,
depending upon whose figures you use, but the fact remains that USA
CEO's are grossly overpaid compared to worker bees, and it is
especially egregious when you factor in what many CEO's are doing
these days to American workers: shipping their jobs offshore and
drastically downsizing.

It is not my fault or problem if you righties have your heads stuck so
far up your asses you can see your tonsils.


Yet the CEO's percentage of the company's payroll is insignificant.
Statisticians can make anything look good - or bad, silly!

-HB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Not really. A $20 total comp for a CEO could keep 200 product producing
engineers on staff that can grow a company to avoid layoffs.

So unless you think a CEO is 200 times more productive, we have an
obvious discrepancy. I know of no CEO that productive.

And I haven't even gotten to expenses the CEO incurs with staff,
opulence, and perks. Many have to have secretaries because they can't
read their own emails.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/10/2011 6:46 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 10/7/11 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,

says...

On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far
too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some
anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other
data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he
pull
it from a leftist union rag?


Neither, BirdBrain. The numbers, especially the one pertaining to the
USA, has been discussed in the media for at least a generation. It's
gone up and down a little, but the ratio is pretty much the same. It
isn't my fault if you are ignorant of the reality that the super rich
get that way mostly by ****ing the middle class.

Here's a bit of the info you seek:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...010/45634384/1



And mo

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-re...2-million/1649




According to the second article, average CEO pay is $12 million a year.
I believe the average worker's annual pay is about $35,000 a year.

$12,000,000 / $35,000 = 342. Now the ratio may be higher or lower,
depending upon whose figures you use, but the fact remains that USA
CEO's are grossly overpaid compared to worker bees, and it is
especially egregious when you factor in what many CEO's are doing
these days to American workers: shipping their jobs offshore and
drastically downsizing.

It is not my fault or problem if you righties have your heads stuck so
far up your asses you can see your tonsils.


Yet the CEO's percentage of the company's payroll is insignificant.
Statisticians can make anything look good - or bad, silly!

-HB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Not really. A $20 total comp for a CEO could keep 200 product
producing engineers on staff that can grow a company to avoid layoffs.

So unless you think a CEO is 200 times more productive, we have an
obvious discrepancy. I know of no CEO that productive.

And I haven't even gotten to expenses the CEO incurs with staff,
opulence, and perks. Many have to have secretaries because they can't
read their own emails.

Not all companies are the same!

-HB (As seen on TV!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-e4vu_wL-M

On 08/10/2011 7:07 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 07/10/2011 6:46 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 10/7/11 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,

says...

On 10/5/2011 7:03 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 05/10/2011 4:47 PM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 5, 4:53 pm, X ` wrote:
Rates of pay, comparing CEO's with the average worker:

Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy ` 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
USA 475:1

--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

That's unbelievable... and I thought Canada was bad!

While I agree in principle that CEO and executive salaries are far
too
high in the US and in Canada, I do question when a fleabagger posts
stats without a citation to back it up. Probably from some
anti-business
fleabagger site.


Specially this particular fleabagger...

But the question is, is this data true, or do you have some other
data
that says otherwise? It makes absolutely NO difference to me where it
came from, if it's real.

The question is did Harry pull the data out of his ass? Or, did he
pull
it from a leftist union rag?


Neither, BirdBrain. The numbers, especially the one pertaining to the
USA, has been discussed in the media for at least a generation. It's
gone up and down a little, but the ratio is pretty much the same. It
isn't my fault if you are ignorant of the reality that the super rich
get that way mostly by ****ing the middle class.

Here's a bit of the info you seek:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...010/45634384/1



And mo

http://www.bnet.com/blog/business-re...2-million/1649




According to the second article, average CEO pay is $12 million a year.
I believe the average worker's annual pay is about $35,000 a year.

$12,000,000 / $35,000 = 342. Now the ratio may be higher or lower,
depending upon whose figures you use, but the fact remains that USA
CEO's are grossly overpaid compared to worker bees, and it is
especially egregious when you factor in what many CEO's are doing
these days to American workers: shipping their jobs offshore and
drastically downsizing.

It is not my fault or problem if you righties have your heads stuck so
far up your asses you can see your tonsils.


Yet the CEO's percentage of the company's payroll is insignificant.
Statisticians can make anything look good - or bad, silly!

-HB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Not really. A $20 total comp for a CEO could keep 200 product
producing engineers on staff that can grow a company to avoid layoffs.

So unless you think a CEO is 200 times more productive, we have an
obvious discrepancy. I know of no CEO that productive.

And I haven't even gotten to expenses the CEO incurs with staff,
opulence, and perks. Many have to have secretaries because they can't
read their own emails.

Not all companies are the same!

-HB (As seen on TV!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-e4vu_wL-M

True, but may former career took me into the glass houses in executive
row, and they are often just incompetent people with the right friends
and connections.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/8/11 9:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote:


True, but may former career took me into the glass houses in executive
row,
Emptying wastebaskets?


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On 08/10/2011 7:32 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/8/11 9:17 PM, Canuck57 wrote:


True, but may former career took me into the glass houses in executive
row,

Emptying wastebaskets?

Nope, don't work for the CSI or CIA.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude