On 10/22/11 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:35:19 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/22/11 9:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

Oh...and a growing number of employers these days have cut way back on
wages and benefits for their workers so the wealthy bosses can have more
in their paychecks, 401ks and bonuses.

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Cite?

Surely you do not believe that the large corporations cutting back on
bennies are going to state publicly that the funds "saved" will appear
in salary increases and bonus checks for the bigwigs.

I know some of you believe in the "goodness" of corporations, but we're
in a new world now, and the old unwritten rules of employer-employee
relationships no longer apply, at least not in most large-scale operations.

The problem with your logic is that some of us are off of the payroll
and our retirement package is pretty much the core benefit that is
back stopped by PBGC so our biggest variable benefit is a good return
on our stock.


The problem is not with my logic, but with the logic that prevents this
country from having an intelligently designed (ha!) single-payer health
insurance program that covers everyone. You know, like most other
modern, civilized countries have. And the easy way to get around the
objections that one hat does not fit all heads is to have a base program
for everyone and options that can be chosen from a menu. You know, like
those backwards, socialistic Swiss have.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, jps wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, jps wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Have you checked out the 'Made in China' items at Home Depot lately? Your 'German' screwdrivers
probably came from China originally - then repackaged in German containers.

On 22/10/2011 7:43 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

Oh...and a growing number of employers these days have cut way back on
wages and benefits for their workers so the wealthy bosses can have more
in their paychecks, 401ks and bonuses.

----------------------------------------

Cite?

I can, me. But then I knew it was coming and volunteered. Hey, get
paid to get out! The last ones out didn't do so good.

2007, I was going to quit anyway when the rumor mill had it cut backs
were coming so I suggest to my boss I would be happy to leave for a
generous buy out. Got my big bonus and left. Right after the RIF, the
boss's boss got a bonus larger than the wages they saved but had buyouts
on top of that.

Fact is, that is what is happening.

But I knew I was economically secure, had a job in weeks. One I liked
better too.

But it was in part due to the 401K/pensions. It allowed me to move them
to my IRA where I waited for the crash. Nothing like being in cash on a
crash and getting money out of corrupt company pension plans. All those
stocks so cheep....

But I engineered my situation, but many are not so fortunate. House
paid for, tons of cash in the bank gives you latitude and comfort others
don't have. A byproduct of fiscal conservatism and hard work.

But what fleabaggers don't want to admit is what is causing it.
Companies get back end inflation, but the market will not allow price
increases easily in tough times, then they have to reduce the outgoing
cash flow to compensate. That means lay off employees to eat it so the
company doesn't go bankrupt.

Bernanke can print money for more 0bama debt but he can't stop inflation
he caused with this practice of print money for debt. But looking at
the markets, this no longer works and real inflation is on the up tick
big time. And more layoffs and lower wages coming. I even know one
company that targets older employees that make more.

Isn't new. I quit now defunct NorTel in 1995 as I could see a collision
course with reality with the then CEO Harvard boy Paul Stern. But got
my pension into my own accounts, saved me the screwing others got when
they went bankrupt.

Age old issue, I remember as publicized case some 25 years ago where a
woman was laid off 2 months before she would get a full pension for that
very reason to reduce the pension payouts. From that day forward, I
said in my name, in my account and in my control. Good I did.

But that is business, the way it works. Learn to work with it or get
burned. Working with it is profitable. Doesn't mater be it the CEO or
the union essentialist asshole or whomever, people with their greed,
envy are out to **** the next guy. Trick is to realize it, protect
yourself against it and be one step ahead, just like chess.

The real world.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 21/10/2011 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

Walmart will pass it onto you, higher prices due to inflated costs of
business. Your income will not go as far, you will acquire less stuff,
thus employ fewer people to make same said stuff. Governemtn will get
less taxes as fewer people working. More welfare.

But it is an 0bamanation of Debt.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/22/11 3:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Have you checked out the 'Made in China' items at Home Depot lately? Your 'German' screwdrivers
probably came from China originally - then repackaged in German containers.



Amazing how you righties seem to "get off" on the proliferation of
communist-made goods in our stores. One might think you prefer it to
U.S.-made goods produced by American workers earning a decent wage.

On 22/10/2011 12:17 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

But you love it. No one is going to pay $1000 for a union NA hammer.
Oh wait, government will, but not you or I.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Yep, wealth moves to those that can produce stuff other than pure
bull****, debt and excessive costs.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Oh they do, it affects productivity.

Nothing to stop you from paying someone else's health care if you really
care so much. Fact is no skills, you want a job it isn't going to pay
much. Fleabaggers can ignore the equity of economics, but that doesn't
mean the fleabaggers can escape reality. Too many fleabaggers need to
learn where their real social station is in life.

The lesson will be harsh until they smarten up.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/22/2011 3:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 3:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Have you checked out the 'Made in China' items at Home Depot lately?
Your 'German' screwdrivers
probably came from China originally - then repackaged in German
containers.



Amazing how you righties seem to "get off" on the proliferation of
communist-made goods in our stores. One might think you prefer it to
U.S.-made goods produced by American workers earning a decent wage.

The unions, together with government's lack of aggressive trade policies
ruined any chance for American made products being competitive on the
free market

On 22/10/2011 2:05 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 10/22/2011 3:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 3:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a
week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did
not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Have you checked out the 'Made in China' items at Home Depot lately?
Your 'German' screwdrivers
probably came from China originally - then repackaged in German
containers.



Amazing how you righties seem to "get off" on the proliferation of
communist-made goods in our stores. One might think you prefer it to
U.S.-made goods produced by American workers earning a decent wage.

The unions, together with government's lack of aggressive trade policies
ruined any chance for American made products being competitive on the
free market

Worse. Since it has been going on for so long, America has lost the
economy of scale outright. It is easier to keep the lead than to regain
it. An the lead has been lost.

--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:05:52 -0400, Drifter wrote:

On 10/22/2011 3:29 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 3:21 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0700, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:47:39 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:03:37 -0700, wrote:


Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer,
told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who
work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for
any of the company’s health insurance plans.

In addition, any new employees who average 24 hours to 33 hours a week
will no longer be able to include a spouse as part of their health
care plan, although children can still be covered.

This is a big shift from just a few years ago when Wal-Mart expanded
coverage for employees and their families after facing criticism
because so many of its 1.4 million workers could not afford or did not
qualify for coverage — rendering many of them eligible for Medicaid.


Sweet. Send your employees to emergency rooms and medicaid so the
taxpayers can cover it. Excellent strategy to bolster net profits for
the company that imports more Communist Chinese goods to America than
any other.

Hey all you wingers, make sure to patronize Walmart cuz they believe
in Jesus.

I thought Obama care was going to fix all if this. Don't they have to
provide coverage now? 2014?

I don't know.

I do know Obama care was going to raise costs and this is the excuse
Walmart cites.

They're low-wage employers. Getting the cheapest crap to sell at the
highest margin using cheap labor is their business model.

They're retailers for the Communist Chinese. It's nice that China has
rising wages and rapidly expanding infrastructure. And the Heartland
of America is funding it.

Meanwhile, Walmart doesn't give a **** if its employees have to go to
emergency rooms and medicare, cuz the tab gets picked up by Mr. and
Mrs. America.

Excellent.

Have you checked out the 'Made in China' items at Home Depot lately?
Your 'German' screwdrivers
probably came from China originally - then repackaged in German
containers.



Amazing how you righties seem to "get off" on the proliferation of
communist-made goods in our stores. One might think you prefer it to
U.S.-made goods produced by American workers earning a decent wage.

The unions, together with government's lack of aggressive trade policies
ruined any chance for American made products being competitive on the
free market

Poor Harry. Reading comprehension not one of his strong points.