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On Oct 27, 11:12*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake.." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it?????- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thank you for confirming my diagnosis of Snotty. I knew anyone with a lick of sense must recognize that. |
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On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... |
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On 10/27/11 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... I have a pair of matched pistols, revolver 45's, actually...if you and iLoogy would like to settle your disputes with each like men, arrangements could be made. All I ask is the video rights. |
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In article ,
says... On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... Let me try to get this through your head ONE more time. Eisboch said, and YOU agreed, that the banner was put up for the SHIP'S "Mission Accomplished". As I've demonstrated several times in this thread, that is just not the case. |
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says... On 10/27/11 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... I have a pair of matched pistols, revolver 45's, actually...if you and iLoogy would like to settle your disputes with each like men, arrangements could be made. All I ask is the video rights. You talking about solving something like "men"? YOU, who comes here and runs your mouth, then if someone offers to do something about it, turn coward and say things like "why would I want to meet you?", "I'll answer my door with a weapon at the ready." You are a first class coward. Worse than Suckling Don. |
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On 10/27/2011 12:58 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/27/11 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... I have a pair of matched pistols, revolver 45's, actually...if you and iLoogy would like to settle your disputes with each like men, arrangements could be made. All I ask is the video rights. Wow, you are a real hero Mr. Dr. Karen Grear of Catholic University of America! |
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On 10/27/2011 1:21 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... Let me try to get this through your head ONE more time. Eisboch said, and YOU agreed, that the banner was put up for the SHIP'S "Mission Accomplished". As I've demonstrated several times in this thread, that is just not the case. You have demonstrated nothing but a kind man, George Bush trying to smooth over another issue manufactured by the left snerk |
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On 10/27/11 1:38 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/27/2011 12:58 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 10/27/11 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote: On 10/27/2011 12:43 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/27/2011 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 10/26/2011 2:44 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... On 10/26/2011 1:13 PM, iBoaterer wrote: White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it. Got it, it was a Navy request... Thanks for clarifying.. But this means nothing to you? Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it. If Bush didn't know about it, why did he offer up that excuse? Are you really so blinded by your party that you can't see? Add to that that every aspect of his appearence aboard the ship was VERY well detailed and orchestrated, right down to his landing, TWO fly-by's, his name already on the plane..... Right, the White House, (who had the banner made) knew nothing of it. Add to that the fact that the banner is now in the Bush Presidential Library..... Nope, he knew nothing.... RIIGGGHHHT..... And here's more!!!! At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake." It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner ? Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past ? Bartlett said that it was actually his call. "Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." So, you don't know who signed off on the banner, but you know it was Bush..Riiiight... Yes, it was. If you think Bush didn't know about it, you have got your head in the sand so far you can see China. Oh, now "he knew about it"... So, the Navy requested it, I get it... You are completely insane!!!!! Bush ADMITTED knowing about it, Rumsfield ADMITTED knowing about it and trying to get Bush to not use the banner. Bush's aide has admitted having a hand in it as well as Bush's Press Sectretary. Do you REALLY think that Bush didn't know about it? Even after Rumsfield tried to talk him out of it????? Who requested it, the Navy and so what if Bush didn't think it was a bad idea or have someone pull it down as he walked to the podium? Bull, let's talk about "Fast and Furious" if you want to talk about things folks knew about and lied about too... Changing the subject, ala Harry again, I see. And the only thing the Navy requested was that the White House have it made. not at all changing the subject. You say President Bush had it made, I say the Navy requested he do that... I have a pair of matched pistols, revolver 45's, actually...if you and iLoogy would like to settle your disputes with each like men, arrangements could be made. All I ask is the video rights. Wow, you are a real hero Mr. Dr. Karen Grear of Catholic University of America! Why, thank you, Mr. Mrs. Terri Teresa or Theresa Ingersoll of South Windsor, Connecticut. I'm just a guy trying to do my part of ridding the world of vermin like you or iLoogy. If you two want to fight, I'll all for it. D'oh. |
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