Bill Tuthill typed:

Josh wrote:

Ever since 9/11 people seem to have forgotten that not all terrorists are
Arabic or part of Al-Qaida. There are still environmental nuts that like to
blow things up, burn things down, or chain themselves to bull dozers. And,
their Americans. Gasp.

[ Shouldn't that be "they're Americans. Gasp." ]

[snip]


Thanks, Bill. I thought he was saying these creeps chain themselves
to bull dozers and their Americans. How many Americans does the the
typical bull dozer have, anyway? Do cow dozers own similar quantities
of Americans? Do these creeps also chain themselves to cow dozers
(and, presumably, their AMericans)?

Jus' wondrin'.


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Bill Tuthill

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This should be called political vandalism, not terrorism, because it's
not morally equivalent to e.g. a rush-hour train bombing in Madrid.
Terrorism has to kill people. That's my definition.

It's a fine line between justifying the destruction of property and killing
people.
These acts of destruction have always had the potential to be deadly, so I
still have to
classify them as act of terror.

About a year ago, a GMC/Hummer dealership in SoCal was vandalized.
Some Hummers were burned, and "ELF" spray painted on the doors.
I told my mom is was probably a college prank. Indeed, when somebody
was later caught (using surveillance video) he turned out to be

a student at some nearby campus.


But was he a member of ELF? My guess is that most of the members of ELF, ALF
and EF are nice upper middle class college types. That's were most of the
radical element of my day (the 70's) came from too.

If the group calling itself ELF takes credit for the act, I'm willing to
believe them.


SYOTR
Larry C.

Hi Larry,

Anyone can claim to be an ELF member, since it's a cell organization. Early
ELF actions (burning of the restaurant at Vail) had a clear environmental
objective (stopping invasion of endangered lynx habitat). The diesel fume
thing doesn't even pass anyone's laugh test, and is very strange indeed. It
sure doesn't fit in with the level of political sophistication of the early
stuff.

Ya know, it would be fun to argue this, but..

I'm packing for a MF Salmon trip. Gotta go!

Best,

Chuck

in article , Larry Cable at
ospam wrote on 7/6/04 6:18 PM:

Chuck, these guys claim responsiblity for a lot of incidents, a lot more than
on one hand.

In a previous article, Dave Manby said:
pictures of the building and they then took him down to the local
fotoshop and had the film developed (luckily he was at the end of his
film) and they cut out the offending negative and gave him back the rest
of the film.

Wow! 25 years ago a friend of mine lost all the pictures he'd taken of
the Vatican because after leaving he took a picture of two Italian
policemen in riot gear. They came over and stripped the film out of his
camera without so much as "sorry we have to do this".


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kayakers as terrorized?

as if Mother Nature wasn't enough of a holy terror

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