On 11/16/2011 11:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:48:42 -0500, wrote:

In ,
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On 11/15/11 8:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC'ssnerk


I'm sure with all the imaginary computers at your facilities, you can
just hot swap a failed drive out instantaneously, right?

It's about that simple to do so.


You can hot swap any SATA drive in any win OS, XP or newer.

I was playing with drives the other day and as soon as you plug them
in, XP finds them and installs them.
I am not sure the RAID BIOS on the controller card would actually
rebuild the drive tho since that is usually only accessible on a boot.
I think you can mirror in the OS. I just haven't done it.

Yep, Harry the computer expert just doesn't know...

Maybe you could explain why Harry would need a server.

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On 15/11/2011 2:12 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleFO6dnQwMceLqUl_TnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.


So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.



Love it.

Wow, so if someone tells you to "go to lunch" you step right to it, eh?
Must be afraid of the tech guy as well as everyone else, coward. Maybe
if they didn't deal in Chinese parts, you'd have a better computer.

American quality was so bad and expensive, they don't make them any more.
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The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government is
the problem.

On 15/11/2011 6:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

No one will ever miss the cards and open reels.

In fact, a IBM keypunch with Fortran was my first computer experience in
high school. Always made sure my cards were at the top of the deck so
when the deck was aborted for errors, it might have finished your work
first. There were always a few who couldn't code. No logic.

But in college, got a hold of a PET 2000, and after that I knew the
future was a microprocessor and only worked non-micros based systems if
I had to in order to accomplish something. But did port a lot of Modula
and Cobol to C.

Yep, I have been involved with ditching many a mainframes, at least
dozen high end ones at the time.
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The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government is
the problem.

On 15/11/2011 6:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC's snerk

But tells us harry can't recover his own PC.

First thing you do is make sure you can recover it yourself. As buying
a 1TB laptop drive to replace an old 200MB one has advantages that
warranter will not do.

He probably has a 250M drive or less, but could have saved the warranty
money for one of these: (and fast)

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32627

--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government is
the problem.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:07:53 -0500, wrote:

You can hot swap any SATA drive in any win OS, XP or newer.

I was playing with drives the other day and as soon as you plug them
in, XP finds them and installs them.
I am not sure the RAID BIOS on the controller card would actually
rebuild the drive tho since that is usually only accessible on a boot.
I think you can mirror in the OS. I just haven't done it.

====

It's my understanding, perhaps incorrect, that the RAID controller has
to support hot swapping. The OS does not see drives unless the
controller enables them. There are different modes of RAID of
course, but assuming you are in a mode that supports dynamic rebuild
of a failed/failing disk, the controller would look for a new drive,
perform the rebuild operation, disable the old drive and enable the
new drive. All of that would be transparent to the OS as I understand
it.

A company named EMC pioneered dynamic RAID on IBM mainframes back in
the early 90s. It totally changed the way large shops managed their
DASD farms and EMC was eating IBM's lunch for a while.

On 16/11/2011 4:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/15/11 8:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard
drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC's snerk


I'm sure with all the imaginary computers at your facilities, you can
just hot swap a failed drive out instantaneously, right?

Takes about 2 minutes.

Just looked them up, due to devaluing currencies of CAD/USD and the
flood of the plants in Taiwan (but China is OK) looks like the new crop
of drives have more than doubled in price. Last one I bought was a 2TB
for $75. Now $269.

--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government is
the problem.

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On 11/16/2011 11:23 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:48:42 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

On 11/15/11 8:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC'ssnerk


I'm sure with all the imaginary computers at your facilities, you can
just hot swap a failed drive out instantaneously, right?

It's about that simple to do so.


You can hot swap any SATA drive in any win OS, XP or newer.

I was playing with drives the other day and as soon as you plug them
in, XP finds them and installs them.
I am not sure the RAID BIOS on the controller card would actually
rebuild the drive tho since that is usually only accessible on a boot.
I think you can mirror in the OS. I just haven't done it.

Yep, Harry the computer expert just doesn't know...

Maybe you could explain why Harry would need a server.

I have no idea why, he only has a few clients! I'd just get a one
terabyte hard drive, hook it to a desktop computer, and for $80 when
it's full, buy a new one and put the old one on a shelf.

On 11/16/11 1:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/11/2011 6:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard
drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC's snerk

But tells us harry can't recover his own PC.

First thing you do is make sure you can recover it yourself. As buying a
1TB laptop drive to replace an old 200MB one has advantages that
warranter will not do.

He probably has a 250M drive or less, but could have saved the warranty
money for one of these: (and fast)

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32627


D'oh. Every time you post, you demonstrate your stupidity.

The drive that failed is in a sealed iMac, not a PC box. You don't just
swap out drives in an iMac. And the iMac has a service contract, so
there is no need for me to try to take it apart.

Oh, the drive that failed was a 1 terabyte drive. My Macbook Pro laptop
has a 250 MB drive, which is more than adequate for its purpose.

I have four 2TB drives in my server.

I can "recover" the iMac from a bad software condition, but that wasn't
the case in this case.

When I have six months left on the iMac service contract, I'll sell it,
just as I did with my previous iMac, and get the latest model.

Now, anything more you wish to post out of your ignorance?

On 16/11/2011 12:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/16/11 1:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/11/2011 6:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday.
Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to
try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard
drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is
suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I wish
those were available with PC's snerk

But tells us harry can't recover his own PC.

First thing you do is make sure you can recover it yourself. As buying a
1TB laptop drive to replace an old 200MB one has advantages that
warranter will not do.

He probably has a 250M drive or less, but could have saved the warranty
money for one of these: (and fast)

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32627


D'oh. Every time you post, you demonstrate your stupidity.

The drive that failed is in a sealed iMac, not a PC box. You don't just
swap out drives in an iMac. And the iMac has a service contract, so
there is no need for me to try to take it apart.

Oh, the drive that failed was a 1 terabyte drive. My Macbook Pro laptop
has a 250 MB drive, which is more than adequate for its purpose.

I have four 2TB drives in my server.

I can "recover" the iMac from a bad software condition, but that wasn't
the case in this case.

When I have six months left on the iMac service contract, I'll sell it,
just as I did with my previous iMac, and get the latest model.

Now, anything more you wish to post out of your ignorance?

So Macs are proprietary crap? Stupid loser users never learn.

The best way to judge a products quality is to ask but not buy a
warranty. Lower is better.

But for hard drives, I look at them as consumables and never run any
over 5 years old.

--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems as government is
the problem.

On 11/16/11 2:52 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 16/11/2011 12:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/16/11 1:32 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 15/11/2011 6:49 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/15/2011 8:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:59:18 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 11/15/11 6:36 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 15, 4:45 pm, X ` wrote:
One of the hard drives on one of my aging Apple computers has been
dying
for a couple of weeks. It finally gave up the ghost yesterday.
Called
Apple Care and the tech suggested about four different ways to
try to
resuscitate it, to no avail.

So he made an appointment for me at the local Apple store. I showed
up,
tech said "go to lunch." Came back 90 minutes later, new hard
drive in
machine, running diagnostics.

No charge for labor or parts.

Love it.

Wow! just how old is that computer and was it still under warranty?

Two years next month. When I bought it, I paid about $100 for a three
year extended warranty. It's really nice...if I have a problem, I
call
Apple Care on the phone and usually the English speaking person who
answers can work out the difficulty with me doing what is
suggested. If
not, the rep makes an appointment for me at the local store.

I just reinstalled my apps and data back on the machine from a
backup.

Since most hard drives are warranted for 5 years by the manufacturer
these days that seems like a great deal for Apple. Most computer
problems are caused by bad hard drives. That has been true for a long
time, pretty much since the end of the card reader and open reel tape
drive.

Wow! You mean Harry bought an extended service plan? Holy ****!!! I
wish
those were available with PC's snerk

But tells us harry can't recover his own PC.

First thing you do is make sure you can recover it yourself. As buying a
1TB laptop drive to replace an old 200MB one has advantages that
warranter will not do.

He probably has a 250M drive or less, but could have saved the warranty
money for one of these: (and fast)

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32627


D'oh. Every time you post, you demonstrate your stupidity.

The drive that failed is in a sealed iMac, not a PC box. You don't just
swap out drives in an iMac. And the iMac has a service contract, so
there is no need for me to try to take it apart.

Oh, the drive that failed was a 1 terabyte drive. My Macbook Pro laptop
has a 250 MB drive, which is more than adequate for its purpose.

I have four 2TB drives in my server.

I can "recover" the iMac from a bad software condition, but that wasn't
the case in this case.

When I have six months left on the iMac service contract, I'll sell it,
just as I did with my previous iMac, and get the latest model.

Now, anything more you wish to post out of your ignorance?

So Macs are proprietary crap? Stupid loser users never learn.

The best way to judge a products quality is to ask but not buy a
warranty. Lower is better.

But for hard drives, I look at them as consumables and never run any
over 5 years old.



No, dummy, the issue that kept me from replacing the iMac drive was not
a proprietary issue. They use standard OEM drives. Haven't you ever seen
a a recent model iMac? Perhaps you should look at one and get back to me
about replacing the innards.

And once again, you demonstrate your ignorance.