On Nov 18, 11:43*am, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, *wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
* *wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
* Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. *Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 10:13 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!


You gotta love the erroneous conclusions intellectually challenged
posters like iLoogy and iSnotty reach.

For year here I've stated that I wouldn't inconvenience myself by even
crossing a street to meet up with certain posters here. So now one of
the idiots wants me to drive to "public property" to give him the
beating he seeks?

I offered him conditions I said were non-negotiable. Ever since, he's
been trying to negotiate.

The terms:

Presentation in advance of verifiable identification.
Meeting by arrangement.
Meeting here.
No weapons.

Seems simple enough.

His fear of arrest is absurd. He can be more easily arrested on public
property.

He's just a loud-mouthed pussy, just like his buddy iSnotty.

Yep, you're a first class coward all right.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of vendors,
lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.

On 11/18/2011 10:58 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:43 am, wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.


Two? I can count more than two.

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.

In article 1a5cad1a-9469-420e-a466-6c186d157715
@y14g2000prf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:43*am, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, *wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
* *wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
* Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. *Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.

Yeah, while you hide behind usenet, Suckling Don the Coward.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.

Perfectly reliable??? NO mechanical device is 100% reliable, dip****.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."

On 11/18/11 2:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."




There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop. You can swap out stuff more easily on the big box mac, which
looks like a PC in a super designed and finished box.

I can change out the hard drive, memory chips, and DVD drive on my
macbook pro laptop without much effort. There are many vendors for
these. I can also replace the hard drive with an SSD "drive," or put a
drive doubler in. What else would there be for an end-used to change in
a laptop? Not much.

On my iMac, I can change out memory chips for those of other vendors. I
can change out the hard drive. I can change out the DVD drive. I can
obviously use some other vendor's keyboards, which, in fact, I do (USB
keyboards). What's left, changing out the video chips? Probably not.
It's already got an intel iT CPU. If there is a major CPU upgrade next
year, I'll probably sell this iMac for a good price and get the latest
model.

Oh...I can remove and replace shingles on our roof...but I don't need to...