On 25/11/2011 5:16 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/25/11 7:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700,
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700,
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:



Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

and taxes on income is a tax on labor.

captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no
reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it

Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA?

USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs
around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around.

HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS
and he calls the US a socialsit state!!

ROFLMAO!


Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also
means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom.

says the guy who has the advantage of national health care


Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just
to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess
0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American
government corruption.

gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron

you really are a ****ing lunatic


Canuckles is happiest sucking down the benefits other taxpayers pay for.
He's a true modern conservative.

Funny how you always follow bpuharic around like you're up his butt.


--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700,
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:

AND we BAILED YOU OUT

NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country

how ****ing GREEDY can you get?

Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed
the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb****
sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity?

ever hear of too big to fail

oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore
illiterate

Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government.

Too big and corrupt to save.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:19:20 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 5:16 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/25/11 7:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700,
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700,
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:



Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

and taxes on income is a tax on labor.

captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no
reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it

Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA?

USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs
around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around.

HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS
and he calls the US a socialsit state!!

ROFLMAO!


Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also
means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom.

says the guy who has the advantage of national health care


Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just
to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess
0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American
government corruption.

gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron

you really are a ****ing lunatic


Canuckles is happiest sucking down the benefits other taxpayers pay for.
He's a true modern conservative.

Funny how you always follow bpuharic around like you're up his butt.

says the guy who believes in socialism for himself

but n ot for anyone else

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:20:39 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700,
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:

AND we BAILED YOU OUT

NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country

how ****ing GREEDY can you get?

Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed
the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb****
sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity?

ever hear of too big to fail

oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore
illiterate

Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government.

Too big and corrupt to save.

gee. any govts that arent?

you're a cliche factory

On 11/25/2011 7:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700,
wrote:

On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:

AND we BAILED YOU OUT

NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country

how ****ing GREEDY can you get?

Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed
the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb****
sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity?

ever hear of too big to fail

oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore
illiterate

Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government.

Too big and corrupt to save.


Wow, you still playing with this mouth breather?

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:36:31 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:16 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:19:42 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the
capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country


What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you
can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your
grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates.

i keep asking the same question

you keep ignoring the same question:

if we gave these cuts to the job creators to create jobs

where are the jobs???

85% of the people HAVE jobs.

HAHHAHAHAH so if we cut tax rate to zero and 10% of people have jobs
that'll be a BIGGER success

HAHAHAHAHA!!! right wing logic is wonderful!! proof of success in
creating jobs is when you lose jobs!!!

Using the same language Obama uses about the $700b stimulus, "imagine
how bad it would be if we didn't do it"

BTW what is Obama's jobs plan? Tax cuts.

tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS

you're quite stupid, being a right winger, so dont understand why
cutting taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS is GOOD while cutting them for the
RICH iS USELESS

MORON!!

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:51:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:29:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got
richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature
developed economy

BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to
preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they
just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same
failed arguments over and over...

If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come
from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come
from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the
internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure?

you True Believers in the wall street cult are socialists. you insist
the middle class has to support and bankroll the rich while ensuring
the rich NEVER have to bear ANY burdens at all

when will you realize SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!! you socialists dont
get it.

NO ONE is talking about DESTROYING corporations. it's NATURAL for
corporations to fail but you SOCIALISTS insist that corporations be
unregulated and when they DO fail you INSIST they be bankrolled to
protect the rich

SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST.

only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR
ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected.

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:42:14 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:34:56 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

It just shows how little you know. Credit Default Swaps are not long
term capital gains.

correct. they are financial instruments invented by corrupt True
Believers in the wall street cult...like you...to defraud and debase
the economy of a country. something you socialists for the rich
support.

SOME financial instruments are BETTER in china than they are here. and
there is NO PROOF taxing the rich destroys jobs. NONE.


Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

We do not buy many stocks in Chinese companies, most are government
owned, not publicity held. I guess that is what you want for the US.

says the socialist who insists the middle class support the rich.



Who do you think provided the money that got Ford, Microsoft or Apple
going? It was stock holders.
You really are stupid.

you live in a rat hole, completely isolated from any information
except the vomit that faux news feeds you

Where did these companies get their startup capital?

how many manufacturing jobs does apple have in the US vs china? have
you looked at the numbers?

oh. you havent. and where's the proof cutting taxes on the rich
creates jobs here?

we DID cut taxes

how we doing? we at full employment?

oh. you're right wing. you dont do numbers. you have your theology

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:47:23 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:38:13 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:

you can go here, to the congressional budget office report:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf

and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew
by

TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent

did their taxes go up that much?

nope. in fact they went DOWN

Since there was no change in the tax law between 2007 and 2009, how do
you explain that.

it's YOUR contention cutting capital gains taxes creates jobs

we DID cut capital gains by 50% during bush's term

WHERE ARE THE JOBS??

The cut the tax in 2001 and the job,ess rate dropped to about 5% by
2006. In the construction trades it was closer to 1%

oh. so the rich created a bubble to sell financial instruments like
CDS's and we LOST ALL THE JOBS created in the last 10 years

so proof of your assertion is that we LOST jobs but that proves we
GAINED jobs??

WHERE ARE THE JOBS?? have you LOOKED at unemployment?

This is actually the first time you brought this up, changing the
subject again..


hardly. because it's right wing theology that cutting taxes on the
rich creates jobs

YOU just showed it creates a bubble which DESTROYS jobs

THEN you call this a SUCCESS. is there ANYTHING you would call a
failure?? the EVIDENCE shows cutting taxes does NOT create jobs. you
yourself show this because your analysis stops at 2006.

so tell me right winger, how we doing TODAY after cutting taxes on the
rich??

we LOST ALL THE JOBS created in the last DECADE AFTER we cut taxes on
the rich. to right wingers that's a SUCCESS!!

HAHAHAHAH



you IGNORE this question. you keep BLEATING that bankrupting the
middle class by giving ALL our money to the rich will create jobs

OK. we did that

WHERE ARE THE JOBS???


BTW why make a statement that is not supported by the link you post.
Do you think I won't read it and take your 275% numbers at face value

i gave you the link to the CBO study. can't help it if faux news keeps
feeding you ****.

That 275% number was not in that article, did you read it?

aw gee. wrong link. here you go. here's the GOVERNMENT SITE WITH A
CHART...make it easier for you right whiner?

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/124xx/doc1248...holdIncome.pdf

gee. what does this show?

THE WEALTHIEST BLEW OUT THE ECONOMY BECAUSE THEY TOOK ALL THE MONEY

the richest 1% had an income growth of about 9% PER YEAR

while normal people had about 1.5% per year.


NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country

how ****ing GREEDY can you get?

OK have it your way

Keep sending me the money, you are my bitch.

gee. that's the same thing marie antoinette said

how'd that work out for her?

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says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks


No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on.
Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street -
an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign
factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment.
In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment.
Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.


So you don't invest either? I hope you folks like cat food.

No, and I have no money worries.
Of course some people always want to live high on the hog.
Never did myself. Everybody can measure comfort as they see fit.
I do understand that maintaining the "acceptable" level becomes
important once achieved.
It's easy to fear change, even to something that was perfectly
acceptable in the past.
Maintaining my "required" standard of living has nothing to do with
"investments."
And isn't very important either. That gives me a lot of "freedom."

The "investor class" is becoming an increasingly small segment.
Traditional pension plans are dying out, and I'm guessing that 401k
participation/contributions are way down.
Don't know the figures, but I suspect a very large percentage of
equities is held by public worker pension funds.
You know, the "socialists."
At least in 1929 "investors" had the decency to jump from high windows.
Now they whine for government bailouts.
And get them.

As a so-called "investor" living off the labor of others, you shouldn't
complain about the likes of Geithner, Summers, Bernacke, et al.
They provide your socialism, and allow you to think you are a "wise
investor," making the "free enterprise" system strong.
Just letting the interest rate loose would cause a massive exodus from
equities, which are as volatile as they ever have been.
As if any "dummy" couldn't pump some money into an equity fund for the
past 20 years and see the government work with Wall Street to make them
"wise investments."
I know many who have done that. Mostly high salaried.
They can say "income averaging," and so think they are geniuses.
That's just a general comment, and not aimed at you.
The U.S. Government has every 401k penny accounted for.
Since you're a fan of gov stats, see if you can find those numbers.
You can't. Because they would detrimentally affect the stock market.
And the U.S. Government doesn't want the stock market affected.
Not that way.
So much for "free enterprise."

It might all be coming apart now.
That's why there's a tea party and OWS.
The center can not hold.
But the tea party has been co-opted by the business wing of the R party.
Should be interesting times coming up.
Especially if the tea party elected jokers try to take the tea party's
Medicare and SS from them.
Then the **** will hit the fan.

Seems the "down-trodden" and even wealthy folks like Bob are recognizing
a tremendous generational Ponzi scheme.
Boomers like you and me got "wealthy" with big salaries from
corporations that gave us huge pensions to shut us up and keep unions
away. All made possible by an inflated stock market.
Big salaries coupled with 401k's and ESOP's made that inflation
possible. One hand washing the other.

Then about the time we got out of the picture the corporations decided
to off-shore the jobs.
Timing was coincidental due to opening world markets.
Some boomers got caught too, losing their job while over-extended.
Not much gravy left for the younger generations now.
Don't think they like that.
Boomers who got caught short don't like it either.
Especially those without big salaries and fat pension plans.
Me, I'm fine.
Don't understand what all the complaining is about :-

But I do wonder why I just heard that Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are
worth $270 million.
Seems like a whole lot of money, doesn't it?
Never watched either of them.
But I bet they got some of my money.
Them, and many more who have no connection to me at all, but somehow get
a piece of my wages.
That's another thing many people don't like.
That's why you hear all this talk about "wealth disparity.
Bob is making a good buck. He's in the top 5%.
Looks like he's willing to pay more taxes if it makes things better for
for those who work as hard and get paid much less.
Just a guess, but hard to tell.
Oh well.