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bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:55:23 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

right whiners call hiding from the truth 'patience'

orwell would be proud

bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:58:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:54:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

bull****. if your income is a million bux your effective tax rate is
over 30% because almost all your income is taxed at the marginal rates

lemme ask: did you take ANY math in school? any at all?

the fact is the very rich dont pay ****.

Which is it? "over 30%" or "don't pay ****"?

The fact is the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes.

you're so full of right wing bull**** i can smell it in PA

the rich dont pay ****. taxes are SLIGHTLY...SLIGHTLY progressive

AND the rich have had SO MUCH of an increase in income it's no wonder
they pay taxes

you ignore that, dont you? you ignore the MASSIVE transfer of wealth
in this country, dont you?

you ignore the massive increase in income and wealth of the rih over
the last 30 years, while the middle class has had ZIP

what are you trying to hide, right whiner? conservatives ALWAYS hide
from the TRUTH

Canuck57[_9_]

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.
2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

Canuck57[_9_]

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

Say I invest $1000. After I invest you get 100% inflation years later.
Now the investment is worth $2000. And now I sell, I see gains taxes
on $1000, but I only say get taxed on half...so I get taxed on $500.
Say I get a tax rate of 25%. $125 taxes paid and $1875. But wait, to
buy stuff has also doubled by my net hasn't doubled.

Basically inflation as a tax. Works on wages too as the basic
deductions never keep pace with inflation pushing you up the tax tables
over time.

So if you tax it full, well, your company better produce a bigger
dividend to write off the capital devaluation or investment capital will
dry up.

If GDP or inflation goes up 3%, and you only go up 2% net of taxes, you
are 1% behind in your slice of the pie. And taxed on it too.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

Hoitorami

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bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:32:14 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the
capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country

bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

and taxes on income is a tax on labor.

captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no
reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it

bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:36:38 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

there is no proof that cutting capital gains leads to jobs. none. it's
right wing propaganda. bush cut capital gains from 29% to 15%

and this is the economy we got.

where are the jobs??

2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

wrong. if they're in a competiitive market for jobs OR if there are
unions, like in more advanced countries, then capital gains taxes will
come from stock holders

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

bull****. i just showed why you're wrong.

where are the jobs?

where are they??

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.

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