On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

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Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

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Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.

On 11/28/2011 2:07 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/28/11 2:02 PM, Califbill wrote:

You mean the Crown Corp did not contribute? And if it is not government
funded, you may need to cut back on you living standards.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/data/11-032_2-eng.asp
Appears as if a lot of those Canadian pensions are underfunded.


Perhaps, California Swill, you could get a consulting appointment with
the Canadian government and show it how to skirt the laws on hiring
illegals at shape-ups to perform home repair tasks. That way, you have
no employer social security payments, no tax records, no unemployment
comp payments, no workers' comp payments.

That is how you did it, right?

I wonder if the guy you hired to build your deck was properly documented
and operating legally. Did he collect taxes on the materials he supplied?

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On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:45:03 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

I think he's talking about a 9,000 lb boat plus fuel, water, supplies
and trailer weight. I'd guess something more like 13,000 or 14,000
lbs going down the road.


The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.

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You'd think, and all of that extra rubber on the road has got to make
a contribution to stabilty and braking. You've also got the safety
issue with redundant rear tires. If it was me, I'd get a crew cab
dualie.

"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/28/11 2:02 PM, Califbill wrote:

You mean the Crown Corp did not contribute? And if it is not government
funded, you may need to cut back on you living standards.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/data/11-032_2-eng.asp
Appears as if a lot of those Canadian pensions are underfunded.


Perhaps, California Swill, you could get a consulting appointment with
the Canadian government and show it how to skirt the laws on hiring
illegals at shape-ups to perform home repair tasks. That way, you have
no employer social security payments, no tax records, no unemployment
comp payments, no workers' comp payments.

That is how you did it, right?


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Maybe you did it that way. But I had licensed drivers. I owned a
construction equipment leasing company. I do not think we ever had a
Hispanic employee. They would have probably worked harder and more reliably
than some we had. I had city permits, state permits, paid FUTA, sales tax,
and all those others fees. Only time I hired illegals is because the ones I
requested from the Calif EDD did not show up to clean up the In-laws house
for sale. Same people who probably claim they can not get a job. Now you,
most likely would hire a cheap illegal to build that deck as you are
incapable of doing the job yourself.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:55:42 -0500, wrote:

Others have provided the correct answer with respect to hardware. The
real issue may be that the boat and trailer combination are over width
and/or over height. Depending on the intended towing area, that could
be a deal breaker.

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Over height is probably not an issue unless it has a flybridge or
tower. Over width is quite likely but not by a huge amount, easily
remedied with the right signs and permits.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:03:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:54:23 -0500, John H
wrote:

Dualies are fuel hogs, and don't add that much to towing capacity.

===

Perhaps, but it seems intuitive that they would add to stability,
braking and tongue weight capability. Why else would people buy
them?

You made me get out the book. The K3500 regular cab with single rear
wheels can pull a max trailer
weight of 15,400 lbs. With dual rear wheels the max weight is 16,500 lbs.

Personally, I don't think the extra 1100 lbs is worth it, but if you've
got a trailer weighing that
much, then the dually becomes necessary.

For 9000 lbs, I wouldn't even think about it.

The issue is tongue weight, a dually will certainly be able to handle
more tongue weight.


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Probably not much difference in tongue weight. But more stability as they
have a wider footprint. Probably not much difference in fuel mileage, but
for that size boat, if not in berth, I would find storage near the ramp and
only tow it a short distance. Sort of like they do in Hawaii.

On 11/28/11 7:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/28/11 2:02 PM, Califbill wrote:

You mean the Crown Corp did not contribute? And if it is not government
funded, you may need to cut back on you living standards.
http://www.fin.gc.ca/n11/data/11-032_2-eng.asp
Appears as if a lot of those Canadian pensions are underfunded.


Perhaps, California Swill, you could get a consulting appointment with
the Canadian government and show it how to skirt the laws on hiring
illegals at shape-ups to perform home repair tasks. That way, you have
no employer social security payments, no tax records, no unemployment
comp payments, no workers' comp payments.

That is how you did it, right?


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe you did it that way. But I had licensed drivers. I owned a
construction equipment leasing company. I do not think we ever had a
Hispanic employee. They would have probably worked harder and more
reliably than some we had. I had city permits, state permits, paid FUTA,
sales tax, and all those others fees. Only time I hired illegals is
because the ones I requested from the Calif EDD did not show up to clean
up the In-laws house for sale. Same people who probably claim they can
not get a job. Now you, most likely would hire a cheap illegal to build
that deck as you are incapable of doing the job yourself.


Uh, that's not how you ran your retirement business, according to your
own words here. Oh...the deck guy? Local carpenter's apprentice, by now
a journeyman. Born right here in the county.

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North Star wrote:
On Nov 27, 5:33 pm, wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

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On Nov 26, 11:59 pm, wrote:





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On Nov 22, 2:48 pm, wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message
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On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.
Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg
Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a
bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.
Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat.
D'oh.
And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his
camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg..
the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you
not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response
behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better
safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.
good decision.
Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?
You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he
tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
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Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.
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Now it is the expense of the truck. My diesel truck gets 19 mpg
highway,
cost $45k new. My 99' Ford Expedition got about 15.5 highway and cost
$42k.
My wife's 2009 Venza cost $36k and gets about 24 highway. If you can
afford
to buy an expensive vehicle you buy it because you like it. My friend
has
a
Lexus wagon so he can haul his 2 Rottweiler's, he wanted another Audi
but
they did not make the wagon type when he bought. He gets 13mpg on
average.
So just because the vehicle is smaller does not mean it gets better
mileage.
Why would somebody buy a Porsche Cayenne when they could buy the same
car
body as a VW tourag. They may be able to afford a luxury car. Just
because
you can not afford a better car or better boat, do not knock others
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You in the sauce again Swill??
Who says I can't afford something larger or 'better'??
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I say you can not afford better ****! You bitch about a **** poor pension
from a government corporation. In other words the taxpayers pay your
pittance. If you did not judge others by your or your sons love of
alcoholic beverages, you would be both smarter and richer. Especially
with
the taxes Canada applies to alcohol.- Hide quoted text -
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You simple swiller.
I made all the contributions to my crown Corp pension for the last ten
years of my working life. Interest earned on the funds investments
paid the Corporations share.

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does not mean there is not taxpayer money going to your pension also. You
sucking at the public money swill pile. And just because you get a pension,
does not mean you can afford a better / bigger truck.- Hide quoted text -

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Duh!
What part of 100%employee funded pension didn't you understand?
The Corp used to contribute slightly more than half.. but didn't do so
for years.
I could have bought a Ford F150 basic truck or a Chev/GMC equivalent
for about 7 grand less than my RAV4 cost.
That is a regular cab and 8 foot box with 2WD, 6 cyl engine, auto
transmission + air conditioning.

You really got screwed on that deal!

-HB