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says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...







On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.


I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.


Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:33:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 21, 5:26*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/21/11 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 21, 12:11 pm, John *wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), *wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com * *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. *Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. *Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

My 4Runner gets 23+ mpg at highway speeds.

Maybe so. I had 4 runner on the brain But I was thinking of the
Highlander. so I confess... I goofed.

?;^ )

The six cylinder 4Runner got much better mileage at highway speeds. But, the towing capacity was
only about half of the V8's.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:11:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...







On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.


I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.


Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.


Yeah, well, that's not bad at all. But, it probably cost a lot more than my Guzzi. And, the Guzzi's
only 22 years old, so it'll out last that damn Nissan!

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:11:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...







On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.


I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.


Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.


Yeah, well, that's not bad at all. But, it probably cost a lot more than my Guzzi. And, the Guzzi's
only 22 years old, so it'll out last that damn Nissan!

Nissan Versa $12,500 out the door. Roll up windows, manual door locks
and no radio. Would have been cheaper if I didn't get the auto trans.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:20:06 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:11:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...







On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.


I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.


Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.


Yeah, well, that's not bad at all. But, it probably cost a lot more than my Guzzi. And, the Guzzi's
only 22 years old, so it'll out last that damn Nissan!

Nissan Versa $12,500 out the door. Roll up windows, manual door locks
and no radio. Would have been cheaper if I didn't get the auto trans.


Damn, that's not bad at all. I didn't think there were any cars made that cost less than about 20K.
Heck, it's a cute little thing too. And, the trunk looks it might hold a set of golf clubs. I'd
probably have to put the cart on the back seat.

On Nov 21, 6:11*pm, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...











On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown...........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.

I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.

Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.

Those cars remind me of an upscale version of the older Honda Civics
or a Ford Festiva on steroids....

On Nov 21, 6:40*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:20:06 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:11:45 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown...........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:10:55 -0500, John H
wrote:

It is a wonder how a 6.6 liter diesel can get better mileage than a 5.6 liter gasser, but they do.

===

There's no magic to it, just the laws of physics. Diesel fuel has
more BTUs per gallon and diesel engines operate at a much higher
compression ratio. In addition a diesel engine does not operate
against the constriction of a throttle plate. The rule of thumb is
that a diesel engine will burn about 1 gallon per hour for every 17 or
18 horsepower. A gas engine burns 1 gallon per hour for every 10 hp.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

====

The real test of a 4WD vehicle is if you can plow heavy snow with it.
In the case of the RAV4, I'd guess not so much, or at least not for
very long.

In article decc6704-ad08-4985-a89f-
, says...

On Nov 21, 6:11*pm, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...











On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.

I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.

Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.

Those cars remind me of an upscale version of the older Honda Civics
or a Ford Festiva on steroids....

I call it the son of the Datsun 1200 Sedan.