On Nov 21, 4:04*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:52:24 -0500, Drifter wrote:
On 11/21/2011 3:03 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:58:14 -0500, X ` *wrote:

On 11/21/11 2:54 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:47:38 -0500, * wrote:

On 11/21/2011 11:33 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleLeydnXwdTbG95VfTnZ2dnUVZ_t6dn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
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On 11/21/11 10:57 AM, Jack wrote:
On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, * *wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com * *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown...........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you
not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

On Nov 21, 7:11*pm, BAR wrote:
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:03:54 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On 11/21/2011 10:49 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:47 am, wrote:
In articleh7SdnY8voJxMJlTTnZ2dnUVZ_tidn...@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown...........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his
boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

You freakin' idiot, it makes no difference how often and how far he tows
the camper. If he tows it one mile or one million miles, he's still
getting better mileage.- Hide quoted text -

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Yiikes... are you really that stupid?
If Johnny only towed his trailer/boat 5 miles from his house to his
favourite campground or launch... how could you justify the extra
expense of the big diesel truck compared to the useable Highlander,
that he already owned?
If you would only quit playing with your 'little head' and give your
'big head' a shake, things might make more sense.

I think herring also had or has a V8 4Runner, which is more than capable
of towing his boat, or his camper. You'd have to tow a whole lot, which
he does not do, to justify the price of that overgrown diesel truck, and
it's so large, you wouldn't want to drive it around town much. It's a
bitch to park in the city.

Men of means have more than one vehicle at their disposal. Simply use
the one that matches the task at hand, oh one dimensional one.

I have a 25 gallon gas tank in the driveway and a 12 gallon gas tank I
drive around daily.

My five gallon Guzzi still works pretty good for when I can do it without a lot of baggage. I need
to find an old golf bag I can modify so I can take the Guzzi when I go golfing. Now *that* would
save some gas money. The Guzzi gets around 45 mpg.

My Nissan Versa gets 37 and thats with a 1.6L.

....but cant tow ****. Real handy.

On Nov 21, 10:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:00:48 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:10:55 -0500, John H
wrote:

It is a wonder how a 6.6 liter diesel can get better mileage than a 5.6 liter gasser, but they do.

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There's no magic to it, just the laws of physics. * Diesel fuel has
more BTUs per gallon and diesel engines operate at a much higher
compression ratio. * In addition a diesel engine does not operate
against the constriction of a throttle plate. * The rule of thumb is
that a diesel engine will burn about 1 gallon per hour for every 17 or
18 horsepower. * A gas engine burns 1 gallon per hour for every 10 hp.

There's just nothing like having the most powerful pickup in the world!

You gotta love physics.

LMAO....better get a Cummins Diesel in that piece of **** then.

On Nov 21, 10:31*pm, Tim wrote:
On Nov 21, 7:00*pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:10:55 -0500, John H
wrote:

It is a wonder how a 6.6 liter diesel can get better mileage than a 5.6 liter gasser, but they do.

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There's no magic to it, just the laws of physics. * Diesel fuel has
more BTUs per gallon and diesel engines operate at a much higher
compression ratio. * In addition a diesel engine does not operate
against the constriction of a throttle plate. * The rule of thumb is
that a diesel engine will burn about 1 gallon per hour for every 17 or
18 horsepower. * A gas engine burns 1 gallon per hour for every 10 hp..

Then when you start turbo-ing the engine, the power flies. As long as
you can keep the engine cool, the power is phenomenal.

Take the lowly detroit '4-53' a 212 cubic engine, but with porting,
turbo's and inner/after cooling, that little engine is capable of well
over 450 *reliable hp.

Trouble is, you need ear plugs with that 4-53.

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On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:54:45 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:07*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

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The real test of a 4WD vehicle is if you can plow heavy snow with it.
In the case of the RAV4, I'd guess not so much, or at least not for
very long.

The city plows our snow... except for the sidewalk & my driveway which
i can easily do with a sturdy shovel or my electric snowblower.

Uh, Donnie...when you mentioned Consumer Reports classifying your RAV4 as an SUV (and therefore, in
your opinion, a truck), you failed to mention some of the other 'trucks' they classified the same
way, like:

Nissan Rogue
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or...4-cyl-cvt.jpeg

Mini Countryman
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or...n-s-4-cyl.jpeg

Subaru Forester
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or...ium-4-cyl.jpeg

...and so on.

Are all these vehicles 'trucks'?

It depends upon who is buying them and who is selling them. But, when
you go to register them you will find out whether you are registering a
truck or a car.

"Tim" wrote in message
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I'm not sure but I think that Nissan is the last to give up crank
windows. About everyone else has gone electric.

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Electric (motor driven) windows are cheaper to manufacture than the
crank
driven, mechanical assemblies they replaced.

On Nov 22, 3:39*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message

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I'm not sure but I think that Nissan is the last to give up crank
windows. About everyone else has gone electric.

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Electric (motor driven) windows are cheaper to manufacture than the
crank
driven, mechanical assemblies they replaced.

Yeah, that seems really odd doesn't it. It used to be that elect
windows was an expensive option over a crank. Of course in 'the day'
an automatic was optional over a stick shift, now, in many cases it's
the other way around.

On Nov 21, 10:02*pm, BAR wrote:
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On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:54:45 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:07*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

====

The real test of a 4WD vehicle is if you can plow heavy snow with it..
In the case of the RAV4, I'd guess not so much, or at least not for
very long.

The city plows our snow... except for the sidewalk & my driveway which
i can easily do with a sturdy shovel or my electric snowblower.

Uh, Donnie...when you mentioned Consumer Reports classifying your RAV4 as an SUV (and therefore, in
your opinion, a truck), you failed to mention some of the other 'trucks' they classified the same
way, like:

Nissan Rogue
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

Mini Countryman
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

Subaru Forester
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

...and so on.

Are all these vehicles 'trucks'?

It depends upon who is buying them and who is selling them. But, when
you go to register them you will find out whether you are registering a
truck or a car.

Since you brought that up, the Ford Ranchero, the Chevy El camino and
the GM Sprint were all registered as 'trucks'. Actually it seemed they
were station wagons with the back top lopped off.

hmmmm

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, says...

On Nov 21, 10:02*pm, BAR wrote:
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says...











On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:54:45 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:07*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:36 -0500, John H
wrote:

OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

====

The real test of a 4WD vehicle is if you can plow heavy snow with it.
In the case of the RAV4, I'd guess not so much, or at least not for
very long.

The city plows our snow... except for the sidewalk & my driveway which
i can easily do with a sturdy shovel or my electric snowblower.

Uh, Donnie...when you mentioned Consumer Reports classifying your RAV4 as an SUV (and therefore, in
your opinion, a truck), you failed to mention some of the other 'trucks' they classified the same
way, like:

Nissan Rogue
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

Mini Countryman
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

Subaru Forester
http://static2.consumerreportscdn.or.../content/cars/...

...and so on.

Are all these vehicles 'trucks'?

It depends upon who is buying them and who is selling them. But, when
you go to register them you will find out whether you are registering a
truck or a car.

Since you brought that up, the Ford Ranchero, the Chevy El camino and
the GM Sprint were all registered as 'trucks'. Actually it seemed they
were station wagons with the back top lopped off.

hmmmm

My F-150 SuperCrew is a truck. It is a POV, however, Maryland still
treats it as a truck as far as registration. But, it is treated like,
not as, a car in all other respects.

In article ffaca4be-2ea0-40f9-bbc0-
, says...

On Nov 21, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

Some people just aren't capable of learning.