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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn'thappen.. snerk
On 11/22/11 1:39 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/22/2011 1:33 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/22/11 1:31 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: On 11/21/2011 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote: finally even the MSM is getting it. the GOP folded the supercommittee because they wanted lower tax rates for the rich You mean the MSM supports Democrats? Noooooooooooooo!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS OFFERED TO CUT SPENDING Well, "sort of" but not really when you put it in context... jesus it took long enough for the MSM to admit this!! Yeah, cause they never support the DNC or Obama! snerk http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z3 conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. Snerk...you are the asshole of ill-informed racist assholes. Wow, there's a well thought out response... you must be a writer snerk I offer up the response I believe the post deserves. |
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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn't happen.. snerk
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:33:48 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/22/11 1:31 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: On 11/21/2011 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote: finally even the MSM is getting it. the GOP folded the supercommittee because they wanted lower tax rates for the rich You mean the MSM supports Democrats? Noooooooooooooo!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS OFFERED TO CUT SPENDING Well, "sort of" but not really when you put it in context... jesus it took long enough for the MSM to admit this!! Yeah, cause they never support the DNC or Obama! snerk http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z3 conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. Snerk...you are the asshole of ill-informed racist assholes. The mark of the 'better educated' liberal - name calling. |
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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn'thappen.. snerk
On 11/22/11 2:34 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:33:48 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/22/11 1:31 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: On 11/21/2011 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote: finally even the MSM is getting it. the GOP folded the supercommittee because they wanted lower tax rates for the rich You mean the MSM supports Democrats? Noooooooooooooo!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS OFFERED TO CUT SPENDING Well, "sort of" but not really when you put it in context... jesus it took long enough for the MSM to admit this!! Yeah, cause they never support the DNC or Obama!snerk http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z3 conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. Snerk...you are the asshole of ill-informed racist assholes. The mark of the 'better educated' liberal - name calling. Canuckles is full of **** on just about everything he posts. I don't respond to most of his effluent. But his racism - and yours - I find annoying. I think your sort of racism and his should be crapped upon at every opportunity. You don't like it? Go fu*k yourself. |
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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn't happen.. snerk
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says... On 11/22/11 2:34 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:33:48 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/22/11 1:31 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: On 11/21/2011 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote: finally even the MSM is getting it. the GOP folded the supercommittee because they wanted lower tax rates for the rich You mean the MSM supports Democrats? Noooooooooooooo!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS OFFERED TO CUT SPENDING Well, "sort of" but not really when you put it in context... jesus it took long enough for the MSM to admit this!! Yeah, cause they never support the DNC or Obama!snerk http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z3 conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. Snerk...you are the asshole of ill-informed racist assholes. The mark of the 'better educated' liberal - name calling. Canuckles is full of **** on just about everything he posts. I don't respond to most of his effluent. But his racism - and yours - I find annoying. I think your sort of racism and his should be crapped upon at every opportunity. You don't like it? Go fu*k yourself. You could leave and not be annoyed at all. |
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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn't happen.. snerk
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:31:13 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, yep there it is...obama is shiftless because he's black conservatives, face it, just don't like blacks weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. |
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You mean the main stream media supported the DNC???? No... couldn'thappen.. snerk
On 22/11/2011 12:38 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/22/11 2:34 PM, John H wrote: On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:33:48 -0500, X ` wrote: On 11/22/11 1:31 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 22/11/2011 6:41 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/21/11 5:42 PM, JustWait wrote: On 11/21/2011 5:36 PM, bpuharic wrote: finally even the MSM is getting it. the GOP folded the supercommittee because they wanted lower tax rates for the rich You mean the MSM supports Democrats? Noooooooooooooo!!!!! EVEN THOUGH THE DEMS OFFERED TO CUT SPENDING Well, "sort of" but not really when you put it in context... jesus it took long enough for the MSM to admit this!! Yeah, cause they never support the DNC or Obama!snerk http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...g.html?hpid=z3 conservatives are now abandoning any pretence at all that they're not out to rape the middle class Not really, and learn to use a spell checker... but many in the middle class keep voting for the rapists. what's next? jerry sandusky as a GOP candidate? Well, we do have the Democrats showing us the way. But seriously, I would rather have a womanizer in office that tried to lead the country instead of the welfare refugee in there now, going on vacation and golfing... Welfare refugee? Oh, you must be referring to the time Obama's mom went on food stamps. It's an interesting contrast: Obama came from a lower-income family, worked hard, got into good colleges and succeeded. You come from a lower-income family, didn't work hard, didn't get into college and failed. You mean the took advantage of "black" racist allocations from government based on color not merit, weaseled into the right schools and moved on before the bull**** caught up with him. But does he have the gift of bull**** or what? And let us not forget, his dad, hardly an upstanding citizen. 0bama be a product of a polygamist marriage for a green card. Even his welfare social housing illegal Aunt in the US, and DWI illegal uncle probably just got their green cards. Had to get 0bama favor to get out of the DWI assault charges, and get the deportation order revoked. Guess his Muslim family is more important than integrity. Not a typical American family be you black or white. But 0bama did spend the first 13 years in Jakarta and probably knew so little of the USA. His Marxist/Muslim upbringing from a foster dad, who should be surprised 0bama is out of touch and thinks there are 57 er 58 states in the union. Hope he is a better father than his dad was to him. But you can see the similarities in the mouth. After all, isn't the only Muslim operating in the Whitehouse. Hilary's aide, Weiner's wife, she is US born, devote Muslim Saudi raised, guess she is well positioned for being in the know for Saudi. Only one reason a devote Muslim woman of Islam marries a infidel man, deception and subversion. Hey, why not get king whomever to openly decide US middle east policy. Someone out there is laughing hard. Saudi policy, American taxpayers and unborn get the bills, US Navy protects them with American infidel blood. After all, Saudi don't want unregulated competition on oil from Iran or Libya or elsewhere. And Gaddafi had too many social programs and was making Saudi look bad. 9/11 was mostly Saudi and Yemen, yet they be 0bama buddies, golden handshake and Islamic bow together as one. And people never did find out what really happened to Ashley Turton and John Wheeler. Maybe someday it will leak out but hear Turton's husband has left the Whitehouse as did Weiner. Hey, people know what Weiner was like, who is kidding who? But getting caught, not the act, is the crime in the Whitehouse these days. Solyndra and the others, self explanatory. A president that would sell out his own country for a dime. Not much integrity and honor, but what do you expect out of someone who has never held a job in his life that didn't involve the use and corruption of just more government money and debt. Yep, obama ignored Bush, ignored his own government, and with no decency couldn't wait to reward his buddies with your grand kids taxes. Hey, Islam discourages democracy, guess that is why 0bama asked democratically elected Mubarak to step down allowing a military Muslim Brotherhood theocracy to rule. September came and left and the protests continue. Like the west, even if elections are healed, it will not be secular, you can vote any way as you want so long as it is Muslim Brotherhood. Sort of like the USA, you can vote any way you want so long as money chooses the ballot. Isn't any different in Canada. But then the wise saying, all the world is a stage. Snerk...you are the asshole of ill-informed racist assholes. The mark of the 'better educated' liberal - name calling. Canuckles is full of **** on just about everything he posts. I don't respond to most of his effluent. But his racism - and yours - I find annoying. I think your sort of racism and his should be crapped upon at every opportunity. You don't like it? Go fu*k yourself. best thing about the Internet, liberal politically corrupt bull**** is damned. And you are one damned stupid fleabagger. -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
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