On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:20:28 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
Most serious cruisers have migrated off of newsgroups and onto
moderated web based forums. That is regrettable in my opinion but
you can't fight city hall. That said, let's start a thread here
listing some of the better cruising web sites.

snipped repeat of hyperlinks

Thanks for the effort, perhaps some people might find them of value, but
not me . . .

I can't abide moderated forums. I find them to all be abodes of bully
moderators who think their **** doesn't stink so they goose-step up and
down the aisles lording their superiority and power over anybody they
don't happen to like and with those they happen to disagree with. If I
want a dictator I'll move to Cuba.

When the oceans of the world become moderated that is when this sailor
will give up sailing as an endeavor no longer worth pursuing.


Wilbur Hubbard


Apparently you've not found any good ones. In a good forum, the moderators do almost nothing except
help dummies like me use the forum.

Of course, they don't do much because they don't have a bunch of personal insulters and name callers
to deal with. (I s'pose I shoulda said 'with whom to deal', but I was too lazy.)

On 11/22/11 5:36 PM, John H wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:20:28 -0500, "Wilbur wrote:

wrote in message
...
Most serious cruisers have migrated off of newsgroups and onto
moderated web based forums. That is regrettable in my opinion but
you can't fight city hall. That said, let's start a thread here
listing some of the better cruising web sites.

snipped repeat of hyperlinks

Thanks for the effort, perhaps some people might find them of value, but
not me . . .

I can't abide moderated forums. I find them to all be abodes of bully
moderators who think their **** doesn't stink so they goose-step up and
down the aisles lording their superiority and power over anybody they
don't happen to like and with those they happen to disagree with. If I
want a dictator I'll move to Cuba.

When the oceans of the world become moderated that is when this sailor
will give up sailing as an endeavor no longer worth pursuing.


Wilbur Hubbard


Apparently you've not found any good ones. In a good forum, the moderators do almost nothing except
help dummies like me use the forum.

Of course, they don't do much because they don't have a bunch of personal insulters and name callers
to deal with. (I s'pose I shoulda said 'with whom to deal', but I was too lazy.)

Translation: people like herring stay away from moderated forums.

Hi, Wayne, and list,

I, too, lament the web-based movement, moderated or not, of information
exchange between cruisers (and, for that matter, any other subject which
used to be the bailiwick of NNTP groups like this and bulletin boards before
them), if for no other reason that I can't subscribe to them, as well as the
bandwidth issues which face TRUE cruisers.

The Cruiser_network_online is a subscription mailing list, and I'm on it
(and several others, Morgan, liveaboard and others for example), hooray, but
is for honest-to-God cruisers. Many of them utilize Pactor to get their
mail and post/respond from far-flung corners of the world, with the "don't
include this text when replying" bandwidth notification, so, for example, I
don't post my logs there (regulars here know that they're long)...

The forums I go to only when I either specifically am looking for something
or have something to say to a larger audience, due to their difficulty in
access and the time it takes to wade through the possibilities compared to
this group, for example, or my subscriptions, which land in my mailbox and
can be reviewed offline, and, for that matter, replied to offline, to go up
on the next connection (those being the other major dissatisfactions by
comparisons to the forums). I am also a member of SSCA, and so have access
to their forums.

Regrettably, I find that, with very few exceptions, where there is a
specific section for either logs or blogs, these forums are part social
media, in that they aren't really interested in anything other than
chatter-depth discussions. If there is a means of subscription to these
which I've missed (other than the notification of a response to a thread
I've been involved in, either by origination or by contribution), I'd love
to hear about it, for the reasons shown above. That said, I know of NO such
forum which will allow off-line composition and placement into an outbox for
later mailing, but at least I'd be able to see what I MIGHT want to take the
time to go to the forum to investigate.

Here's the ones I use, from time to time:

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...g-Else-Sailing

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...nd-Life-Aboard

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...ons-amp-Routes

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f74/ - life aquatic aboard a boat

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f19/ - atlantic and carib

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/ - general sailing

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54/ - engines

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f71/ - logs

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-interest-forums/

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...iling-related/

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=2 - pub

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 - sailing and cruising

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=80 - blogs

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/index.php

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...splay.php?f=18 - ask all sailors


As I cribbed this from a prior search, not listed is Lats and Atts' very
good board, sailnet (long live their prior mailing lists in our memory) and
perhaps a few others I've forgotten...

L8R

Skip

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On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:03:13 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Here's the ones I use, from time to time:

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...g-Else-Sailing

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...nd-Life-Aboard

http://www.anything-sailing.com/foru...ons-amp-Routes

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f74/ - life aquatic aboard a boat

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f19/ - atlantic and carib

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/ - general sailing

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f54/ - engines

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f71/ - logs

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/general-interest-forums/

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...iling-related/

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=2 - pub

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=3 - sailing and cruising

http://renegade-cruisers.net/bb/viewforum.php?f=80 - blogs

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/index.php

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...splay.php?f=18 - ask all sailors

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Impressive list Skip, thanks.

Are we any closer to hearing splashing noises from the direction of Ft
Pierce?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

Impressive list Skip, thanks.

Are we any closer to hearing splashing noises from the direction of Ft
Pierce?


Yes, but still no end date.

We're expecting some time in Janury. We will be taking 2-3 weeks to make
the trek north again at yet another baby's birth (this time it's my
daughter's) and to allow Lydia to finally catch up with my kids, the last
several years' having been so her-kid centric that she didn't take any time
to visit with them when we came ashore - and is now regretting it, so that
will make our departure a bit less speedy than we might have otherwise
wished, but also making us very grateful to have been stateside for all
that's happened while we've been on the ground.

The final fairing is coming along very nicely, if slowly. We've found
another helper who is very skilled at what he does, having worked for a
boatbuilder for several years here in FTP, and we've turned that part over
to him while we do other things. ETD on that is a couple of weeks or so,
after which we'll put on copious barrier coat, followed by bottom paint.

In the meantime, we have a new 73# Rocna anchor on the way (I'll have a
for-sale on my 75# CQR knockoff here shortly, once I get the pictures up and
my spiel written), which will involve some modification (extra parts, and
better end result, to boot) of our newly brilliant anchor roller system, due
to the roll bar on the Rocna otherwise impacting our cage, plus running
backstays for the staysail which never had any, this week.

I'm also sourcing, thence to install, the various other things (like a new
VHF antenna for the arch, hardware for the new cockpit table, 3/8
teak-and-holly to replace the forward-head-area cutouts due to rot [forward
shower leak remediation in the galleries], casting of new chocks, and a few
other things) which need to be done before we leave :{))

L8R

Skip and crew


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On Nov 24, 6:19*am, "Flying Pig" wrote:

In the meantime, we have a new 73# Rocna anchor on the way (I'll have a
for-sale on my 75# CQR knockoff here shortly, once I get the pictures up and

I'm hoping you saw the recall notice on some Rocna anchors.

The issue - as I understood it - was that a manufacturer used a cheap
steel in some Rocnas, to the point that their strength was
compromised. I think ownership of the brand has changed hands. So you
may need to check who made your Rocna and when.

Cheers

Bil

On 23/11/2011 3:53 PM, Bil wrote:
On Nov 24, 6:19 am, "Flying wrote:

In the meantime, we have a new 73# Rocna anchor on the way (I'll have a
for-sale on my 75# CQR knockoff here shortly, once I get the pictures up and

I'm hoping you saw the recall notice on some Rocna anchors.

The issue - as I understood it - was that a manufacturer used a cheap
steel in some Rocnas, to the point that their strength was
compromised. I think ownership of the brand has changed hands. So you
may need to check who made your Rocna and when.

Cheers

Bil

I don't think the change of ownership made any difference. Now
Canadian but I think they were in deception mode, too. Chinese
crap steel - owners tried to pretend it happened behind their backs
but it seems not. I would assume it's been stopped by now?

On Nov 22, 10:59*am, Wayne.B wrote:
Most serious cruisers have migrated off of newsgroups and onto
moderated web based forums. * That is regrettable in my opinion but
you can't fight city hall. * That said, let's start a thread here
listing some of the better cruising web sites.

I'll start with some that I've found:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cruisers_Network_Online/

http://www.cruisersforum.com/

http://cruisersnet.net/

http://www.trawlercrawler.net/

http://ssca.org/cgi-bin/pagegen.pl?pg=home&title=Home
(membership required)

http://www.noonsite.com/

http://www.mtoa.net/

https://activecaptain.com/
(Interactive Cruising Guide Book - good online charts and local
knowledge)

A word to the wise: *None of these groups tolerate asshats, personal
insults or political discussion. *Don't even think about it.

Seeing I'm not a cruiser, but a runabout kinda guy I usually hit up
http://forums.iboats.com/forum.php

I like to watch the rebuilds and restorations. A lot of useful stuff
there. Same way with http://www.thehulltruth.com/

I've attended some other boating forums but they were mostly small
communique's between friends as were slow moving.

So, those are about the only two that i know of.

Anybody got any suggestions on a site dedicated to cruising the Ohio,
Cumberland, Mississippi and other various mid-west rivers? I'd
appreciate it. I can't do the whole inner coastal, but it would be
nice to do the Ohio/ Ky Lake cruise next year. god tips are always
appreciated.

Hi, all,

Changing the title so this thread doesn't ENTIRELY go off the rails...

Rocna put out a recall notice which was complete in its explanation of the
shank difficulties alleged/alluded to by another poster here. In my mind,
though I'll not be affected by it, they have properly and adequately dealt
with the issue.

Look it up, if you're concerned. I've resolved any potential concern for
myself (and it's not my job to educate you or quash rumors for any concerns
or issues you may have) and the batch of mild steel which mistakenly made it
into some anchors is no longer an issue - certainly, to me.

Thanks for the heads-up. If your Rocna is several years old, you would do
well to look up the document and exercise the very generous provisions
therein for yourself.

L8R

Skip

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They somehow already know what you truly want to become.
Everything else is secondary".
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On Nov 23, 8:27*pm, "Flying Pig" wrote:
Hi, all,

Changing the title so this thread doesn't ENTIRELY go off the rails...

Rocna put out a recall notice which was complete in its explanation of the
shank difficulties alleged/alluded to by another poster here. *In my mind,
though I'll not be affected by it, they have properly and adequately dealt
with the issue.

Look it up, if you're concerned. *I've resolved any potential concern for
myself (and it's not my job to educate you or quash rumors for any concerns
or issues you may have) and the batch of mild steel which mistakenly made it
into some anchors is no longer an issue - certainly, to me.

Thanks for the heads-up. *If your Rocna is several years old, you would do
well to look up the document and exercise the very generous provisions
therein for yourself.

L8R

Skip

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"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.
Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other
people's thinking.
Don't let the noise of others' opinion drown out your own inner voice;
and most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.
They somehow already know what you truly want to become.
Everything else is secondary".
- Steve Jobs

Wow. And I thought an anchor was a cement block tied to a nylon rope.

i guess I need to expand my horizons ....

?;^ )