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says... On 11/24/11 9:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:32:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... People are lazy. The main reason why people don't make their own beer is that it is hard to do. Growing decent pot is more complicated than just throwing some seeds in the yard. If what I see on TV is accurate about the California growers, it is pretty labor intensive. The Humbolt County Sheriff even has a solution for that. You buy a tax band for each plant you grow. No tax band, you go to jail for tax evasion. Anything would be better than what they are doing now. The government is not getting any tax revenue, there is a trail of bodies in the street from here to Mexico, we have a million people in prison and there is still absolutely zero control of the illegal market. Do you think there is anyone who wants drugs and can't get them? We already did this and figured out that alcohol was bad but banning it was worse, we are now seeing the exact same thing playing out with other drugs. Try making beer at home or wine for that matter without material in the bottom of the bottle. The filter systems the big manufacturers use is a lot more than you will run in your kitchen on any scale... Try growing enough tobacco and processing it to burn and taste right. And no, it's not hard to grow great pot, I used to know folks who did it. On the other hand, why make beer or wine? You can make ass kicking rum with nothing but molasses or sugar, a cube of yeast, a big pressure cooker and some copper tubing. I have made plenty of various liquors over the years. Want to clean up the taste, put it in a jug with activated charcoal for a few months. Filter and drink. You can even get that "oak aged" taste by charring chunks of oak with a propane torch and throwing them in the jug. I am still not sure why filtering wine is tricky. You just use a coffee filter like you do with the rum. I had inlaws who raised tobacco in Md. Other than being a little labor intensive, keeping the worms off, it is no harder to grow than tomatoes. The main problem is getting the quota from the state to sell it. I am really surprised more people don't have it in their garden with the price of tobacco products these days. I suppose if you drink a lot or smoke a lot, home brew can be a moneysaver. Unlike you, some people do things because they find it interesting. It's called a hobby, too bad you don't have one. |
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says... On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:23:21 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 9:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:32:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... People are lazy. The main reason why people don't make their own beer is that it is hard to do. Growing decent pot is more complicated than just throwing some seeds in the yard. If what I see on TV is accurate about the California growers, it is pretty labor intensive. The Humbolt County Sheriff even has a solution for that. You buy a tax band for each plant you grow. No tax band, you go to jail for tax evasion. Anything would be better than what they are doing now. The government is not getting any tax revenue, there is a trail of bodies in the street from here to Mexico, we have a million people in prison and there is still absolutely zero control of the illegal market. Do you think there is anyone who wants drugs and can't get them? We already did this and figured out that alcohol was bad but banning it was worse, we are now seeing the exact same thing playing out with other drugs. Try making beer at home or wine for that matter without material in the bottom of the bottle. The filter systems the big manufacturers use is a lot more than you will run in your kitchen on any scale... Try growing enough tobacco and processing it to burn and taste right. And no, it's not hard to grow great pot, I used to know folks who did it. On the other hand, why make beer or wine? You can make ass kicking rum with nothing but molasses or sugar, a cube of yeast, a big pressure cooker and some copper tubing. I have made plenty of various liquors over the years. Want to clean up the taste, put it in a jug with activated charcoal for a few months. Filter and drink. You can even get that "oak aged" taste by charring chunks of oak with a propane torch and throwing them in the jug. I am still not sure why filtering wine is tricky. You just use a coffee filter like you do with the rum. I had inlaws who raised tobacco in Md. Other than being a little labor intensive, keeping the worms off, it is no harder to grow than tomatoes. The main problem is getting the quota from the state to sell it. I am really surprised more people don't have it in their garden with the price of tobacco products these days. I suppose if you drink a lot or smoke a lot, home brew can be a moneysaver. The only time it was a money saver to make your own alcohol was when it was illegal. I can't imagine anyone with a job, doing it because your time is worth more than you can save, even with the tax. It is real hard to compete with a factory operation like that. When you can buy cheap (that is still better than moonshine) whiskey for $25 a gallon I am not sure how you compete with that if your time is worth anything to you. I suspect if there was commercially available pot, it would be cheaper than it is now, even with a $50 an oz tax on it. The beer I brew costs about the same per as cheap store bought. The quality is the thing. It's a million times better than most American swill. |
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Funniest thing on TV tonight...
On 11/25/2011 8:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 11/24/2011 1:58 PM, Disgusted wrote: On 11/24/2011 12:12 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 12:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:55:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: end the war on drugs.it's a failure. that would end alot of the flow of weapons and money over the border. Well, I think possession of personal use quantities needs to be decriminalized, especially for marijuana. I'm against lifting criminal penalties for drug trafficking and big-time dealing. That is a weasel position. Where are the "personal use" quantities supposed to come from? This is as bad as the other ill fated prohibition experience we had. They tried to punish the manufacturers and importers without criminalizing the use too. You don't need a history book to see how that worked out, you just need to look at our inner cities and the Mexico border.. Where? From licensed stores, of course. If you are over 18 and you want pot, you should be able to buy a couple of ounces it at a licensed store. The state would be able to collect its tax, just as it does with cigarettes. There are ways to regulate how much you buy in any given time period. There are ways to regulate prescription drugs that are already in place. We all know how well that works. The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... You can't produce beer, or cigarettes in your home to compete with Budweiser or Marlborough either... The beer I produce in my home is MUCH better than Budweiser. There ain't much that isn't. Notable exception, Corona. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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Funniest thing on TV tonight...
On 11/25/2011 8:25 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 11/24/11 9:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:32:17 -0500, JustWait wrote: The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... People are lazy. The main reason why people don't make their own beer is that it is hard to do. Growing decent pot is more complicated than just throwing some seeds in the yard. If what I see on TV is accurate about the California growers, it is pretty labor intensive. The Humbolt County Sheriff even has a solution for that. You buy a tax band for each plant you grow. No tax band, you go to jail for tax evasion. Anything would be better than what they are doing now. The government is not getting any tax revenue, there is a trail of bodies in the street from here to Mexico, we have a million people in prison and there is still absolutely zero control of the illegal market. Do you think there is anyone who wants drugs and can't get them? We already did this and figured out that alcohol was bad but banning it was worse, we are now seeing the exact same thing playing out with other drugs. Try making beer at home or wine for that matter without material in the bottom of the bottle. The filter systems the big manufacturers use is a lot more than you will run in your kitchen on any scale... Try growing enough tobacco and processing it to burn and taste right. And no, it's not hard to grow great pot, I used to know folks who did it. On the other hand, why make beer or wine? You can make ass kicking rum with nothing but molasses or sugar, a cube of yeast, a big pressure cooker and some copper tubing. I have made plenty of various liquors over the years. Want to clean up the taste, put it in a jug with activated charcoal for a few months. Filter and drink. You can even get that "oak aged" taste by charring chunks of oak with a propane torch and throwing them in the jug. I am still not sure why filtering wine is tricky. You just use a coffee filter like you do with the rum. I had inlaws who raised tobacco in Md. Other than being a little labor intensive, keeping the worms off, it is no harder to grow than tomatoes. The main problem is getting the quota from the state to sell it. I am really surprised more people don't have it in their garden with the price of tobacco products these days. I suppose if you drink a lot or smoke a lot, home brew can be a moneysaver. Unlike you, some people do things because they find it interesting. It's called a hobby, too bad you don't have one. Some people squander their money on toys they don't play with. It puzzles me that they expect other peoples hobbies be cost effective. e.g. You might have heard someone saying "What do you need that big truck for? A highlander is all you really need." -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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Funniest thing on TV tonight...
In article om,
says... On 11/25/2011 8:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 11/24/2011 1:58 PM, Disgusted wrote: On 11/24/2011 12:12 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 12:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:55:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: end the war on drugs.it's a failure. that would end alot of the flow of weapons and money over the border. Well, I think possession of personal use quantities needs to be decriminalized, especially for marijuana. I'm against lifting criminal penalties for drug trafficking and big-time dealing. That is a weasel position. Where are the "personal use" quantities supposed to come from? This is as bad as the other ill fated prohibition experience we had. They tried to punish the manufacturers and importers without criminalizing the use too. You don't need a history book to see how that worked out, you just need to look at our inner cities and the Mexico border.. Where? From licensed stores, of course. If you are over 18 and you want pot, you should be able to buy a couple of ounces it at a licensed store. The state would be able to collect its tax, just as it does with cigarettes. There are ways to regulate how much you buy in any given time period. There are ways to regulate prescription drugs that are already in place. We all know how well that works. The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... You can't produce beer, or cigarettes in your home to compete with Budweiser or Marlborough either... The beer I produce in my home is MUCH better than Budweiser. There ain't much that isn't. Notable exception, Corona. Corona is just ok. If I'm going for something on the light side, and not hoppy, I'll have one! |
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On 11/25/2011 9:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, says... On 11/25/2011 8:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 11/24/2011 1:58 PM, Disgusted wrote: On 11/24/2011 12:12 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 12:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:55:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: end the war on drugs.it's a failure. that would end alot of the flow of weapons and money over the border. Well, I think possession of personal use quantities needs to be decriminalized, especially for marijuana. I'm against lifting criminal penalties for drug trafficking and big-time dealing. That is a weasel position. Where are the "personal use" quantities supposed to come from? This is as bad as the other ill fated prohibition experience we had. They tried to punish the manufacturers and importers without criminalizing the use too. You don't need a history book to see how that worked out, you just need to look at our inner cities and the Mexico border.. Where? From licensed stores, of course. If you are over 18 and you want pot, you should be able to buy a couple of ounces it at a licensed store. The state would be able to collect its tax, just as it does with cigarettes. There are ways to regulate how much you buy in any given time period. There are ways to regulate prescription drugs that are already in place. We all know how well that works. The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... You can't produce beer, or cigarettes in your home to compete with Budweiser or Marlborough either... The beer I produce in my home is MUCH better than Budweiser. There ain't much that isn't. Notable exception, Corona. Corona is just ok. If I'm going for something on the light side, and not hoppy, I'll have one! If you are tempted to have a Corona, try Land Shark instead. It's made in Budweiser plants and the proceeds go to making Jimmy Buffet richer. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 11/25/2011 10:12 AM, Drifter wrote:
On 11/25/2011 9:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 11/25/2011 8:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 11/24/2011 1:58 PM, Disgusted wrote: On 11/24/2011 12:12 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 12:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:55:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: end the war on drugs.it's a failure. that would end alot of the flow of weapons and money over the border. Well, I think possession of personal use quantities needs to be decriminalized, especially for marijuana. I'm against lifting criminal penalties for drug trafficking and big-time dealing. That is a weasel position. Where are the "personal use" quantities supposed to come from? This is as bad as the other ill fated prohibition experience we had. They tried to punish the manufacturers and importers without criminalizing the use too. You don't need a history book to see how that worked out, you just need to look at our inner cities and the Mexico border.. Where? From licensed stores, of course. If you are over 18 and you want pot, you should be able to buy a couple of ounces it at a licensed store. The state would be able to collect its tax, just as it does with cigarettes. There are ways to regulate how much you buy in any given time period. There are ways to regulate prescription drugs that are already in place. We all know how well that works. The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... You can't produce beer, or cigarettes in your home to compete with Budweiser or Marlborough either... The beer I produce in my home is MUCH better than Budweiser. There ain't much that isn't. Notable exception, Corona. Corona is just ok. If I'm going for something on the light side, and not hoppy, I'll have one! If you are tempted to have a Corona, try Land Shark instead. It's made in Budweiser plants and the proceeds go to making Jimmy Buffet richer. Shared a nice porter with our Brisket last night... It was ok.. I still like my own home brew. I usually make a nice Ale, everyone loves it... |
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In article om,
says... On 11/25/2011 9:54 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In raweb.com, says... On 11/25/2011 8:19 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On 11/24/2011 1:58 PM, Disgusted wrote: On 11/24/2011 12:12 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/24/11 12:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:55:03 -0500, X ` Man wrote: end the war on drugs.it's a failure. that would end alot of the flow of weapons and money over the border. Well, I think possession of personal use quantities needs to be decriminalized, especially for marijuana. I'm against lifting criminal penalties for drug trafficking and big-time dealing. That is a weasel position. Where are the "personal use" quantities supposed to come from? This is as bad as the other ill fated prohibition experience we had. They tried to punish the manufacturers and importers without criminalizing the use too. You don't need a history book to see how that worked out, you just need to look at our inner cities and the Mexico border.. Where? From licensed stores, of course. If you are over 18 and you want pot, you should be able to buy a couple of ounces it at a licensed store. The state would be able to collect its tax, just as it does with cigarettes. There are ways to regulate how much you buy in any given time period. There are ways to regulate prescription drugs that are already in place. We all know how well that works. The problem is in taxing and controlling it. Alcohol, Tobacco, and Prescription drugs need expensive materials, and expensive equipment to refine and deliver the product the public is used to. If you tried to manufacture/grow these items in any quantity and produce a product that looked/smoked/tasted/performed like the retail product there would be a big trail right to your door of evidence of the process/production. To deliver pot in a form that is acceptable you need a box of baggies, and a closet, some water and a light... The finished product from a kid and his closet is easily as refined, and marketable as any huge operation could produce. It would be entirely impossible to tell if someone smoking legally on the street corner paid tax on the smoke or grew it themselves... You can't produce beer, or cigarettes in your home to compete with Budweiser or Marlborough either... The beer I produce in my home is MUCH better than Budweiser. There ain't much that isn't. Notable exception, Corona. Corona is just ok. If I'm going for something on the light side, and not hoppy, I'll have one! If you are tempted to have a Corona, try Land Shark instead. It's made in Budweiser plants and the proceeds go to making Jimmy Buffet richer. I've had Land Shark. It's pretty good. I'm a beer snob and have been since I got into home brewing and visiting craft breweries. Yuengling makes some decent beers for a mega brewery. |
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