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An Amazing Discovery
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes. The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages employers are required to withold from an employee's wages IOW the employee pays them BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny? |
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On 12/5/11 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes. The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages employers are required to withold from an employee's wages IOW the employee pays them BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny? Dan Krueger by any handle is still dumb as a post. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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On Dec 5, 9:37*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: On 12/5/11 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger *wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes. The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages employers are required to withold from an employee's wages IOW the employee pays them BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny? Dan Krueger by any handle is still dumb as a post. --http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ....and to think he claims to be more than a 'counterman' in his daddy's contractor supply business. |
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In article ,
says... X ` Man wrote: On 12/5/11 7:54 AM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:05:52 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Conservatives do have principles: http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/u34Brg There is one lie floating around about the payroll tax cut. I have heard several times that a 3% surtax on millionaires would pay for it and if you can believe the IRS, that isn not close to right. From the IRS tax stats http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in32tt.xls Amount of tax 32,755,871,000 19,393,235,000 46,943,630,000 24,617,005,000 53,790,324,000 Income Level $1,000,000 under $1,500,000 $1,500,000 under $2,000,000 $2,000,000 under $5,000,000 $5,000,000 under $10,000,000 $10,000,000 or more Number of returns 46,741 20,561 29,928 7,404 4,916 Total tax from the1,000,000 180 billion (round numbers) 3% of 180 is 5.4 billion (using the definition of "surtax" when they did it in the 70s) How does that cover a $120 billion dollar tax cut? Are they really saying they want to raise the marginal rate by 3% Still won't come close to doing it. They need to raise the whole tax bite by 66% going from $180B to $300B The real issue is that the Republicans want to protect their millionaire supporters from *any* substantive tax increases, even if it means raising taxes for the middle class by doing away with the payroll tax cut. $1500 or so has meaning for middle income folks. It might pay for a needed car repair, dentist trips for the kids, whatever. The Republican whores would rather end that tax break for wage earners so as to shield its clients from paying a bit more. Payroll taxes are paid my the employer, not the employee. Reduced payroll taxes help to add jobs, bozo. Employers do not hire based upon the payroll taxes they have to pay. |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:26:21 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the employee side. Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to help the unemployment problem which, of course, is not the objective. I thought "jobs" was job #1. That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more trouble with the debt. Obama is doing his best to preserve jobs, which is why he's not investigating the corruption in the Justice Department. |
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On 12/6/11 7:56 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... X ` Man wrote: On 12/5/11 7:54 AM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:05:52 -0500, X ` Man wrote: Conservatives do have principles: http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/u34Brg There is one lie floating around about the payroll tax cut. I have heard several times that a 3% surtax on millionaires would pay for it and if you can believe the IRS, that isn not close to right. From the IRS tax stats http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in32tt.xls Amount of tax 32,755,871,000 19,393,235,000 46,943,630,000 24,617,005,000 53,790,324,000 Income Level $1,000,000 under $1,500,000 $1,500,000 under $2,000,000 $2,000,000 under $5,000,000 $5,000,000 under $10,000,000 $10,000,000 or more Number of returns 46,741 20,561 29,928 7,404 4,916 Total tax from the1,000,000 180 billion (round numbers) 3% of 180 is 5.4 billion (using the definition of "surtax" when they did it in the 70s) How does that cover a $120 billion dollar tax cut? Are they really saying they want to raise the marginal rate by 3% Still won't come close to doing it. They need to raise the whole tax bite by 66% going from $180B to $300B The real issue is that the Republicans want to protect their millionaire supporters from *any* substantive tax increases, even if it means raising taxes for the middle class by doing away with the payroll tax cut. $1500 or so has meaning for middle income folks. It might pay for a needed car repair, dentist trips for the kids, whatever. The Republican whores would rather end that tax break for wage earners so as to shield its clients from paying a bit more. Payroll taxes are paid my the employer, not the employee. Reduced payroll taxes help to add jobs, bozo. Employers do not hire based upon the payroll taxes they have to pay. It doesn't matter what Krueger calls himself, he's still the same ignorant right-wing d.f. who, in this case doesn't realize there is more than one kind of "payroll tax," and that employees pay payroll taxes. |
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In article ,
says... On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:26:21 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the employee side. Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to help the unemployment problem which, of course, is not the objective. I thought "jobs" was job #1. That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more trouble with the debt. Obama is doing his best to preserve jobs, which is why he's not investigating the corruption in the Justice Department. Saving and creating government jobs. |
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On 12/6/11 8:42 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:26:21 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the employee side. Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to help the unemployment problem which, of course, is not the objective. I thought "jobs" was job #1. That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more trouble with the debt. Obama is doing his best to preserve jobs, which is why he's not investigating the corruption in the Justice Department. Saving and creating government jobs. That's an interesting comment to make to a Herring post, since he spent his entire adult life working "government" jobs. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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In article 2f09590b-57a1-48d2-8dc3-
, says... On Dec 5, 9:37*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/5/11 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger *wrote: bpuharic wrote: On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote: tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires. it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves the rich so let's watch the GOP try to spin this No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do. -HB aw gee...you're wrong as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes. The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages employers are required to withold from an employee's wages IOW the employee pays them BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny? Dan Krueger by any handle is still dumb as a post. --http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ...and to think he claims to be more than a 'counterman' in his daddy's contractor supply business. And to think you claim to be more than a washed out civil servant, Suckling Don the Coward. |
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