On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:26:21 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote:


No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.

-HB

aw gee...you're wrong as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the
employee side.
Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to
help the unemployment problem

which, of course, is not the objective.

I thought "jobs" was job #1.
That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no
recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more
trouble with the debt.

gee, without jobs

and here is the conservative plan for jobs:

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:13:26 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:40:18 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

which, of course, is not the objective.

I thought "jobs" was job #1.
That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no
recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more
trouble with the debt.

gee, without jobs

and here is the conservative plan for jobs:

You are arguing with yourself. You start saying we need jobs, when I
point out the stimulus did't really provide many you say jobs "was not
the objective"

sorry you can't follow a basic argument

there's a difference between saying a program is designed for jobs and
saying it's designed to provdie income relief for the middle class

see!!! all it took me was a few words to explain what you are
hopelessly confused by. no doubt because you're a right winger

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote:

tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires.
it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because
they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves
the rich

so let's watch the GOP try to spin this
No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.

-HB
aw gee...you're wrong as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes.
The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from
employees' wages


employers are required to withold from an employee's wages

IOW the employee pays them

BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny?
Wikipedia again? Do employees fine this form, Bob?

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf

-HB

North Star wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:37 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/5/11 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:





On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote:
tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires.
it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because
they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves
the rich
so let's watch the GOP try to spin this
No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.
-HB
aw gee...you're wrong as usual
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax
Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes.
The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from
employees' wages
employers are required to withold from an employee's wages
IOW the employee pays them
BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny?
Dan Krueger by any handle is still dumb as a post.

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....and to think he claims to be more than a 'counterman' in his
daddy's contractor supply business.
Nice try. Want to place a wager on that? Let's start with the part
where my father is dead. Ready?

-HB

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:29:46 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes.
The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from
employees' wages


employers are required to withold from an employee's wages

IOW the employee pays them

BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny?
Wikipedia again? Do employees fine this form, Bob?

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f941.pdf

-HB

and your rebuttal was?

oh. there wasnt one

thanks.

wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote:

tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires.
it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because
they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves
the rich

so let's watch the GOP try to spin this
No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.

-HB
aw gee...you're wrong as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the
employee side.
Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to
help the unemployment problem

The employee withholding is part of their income tax. That withholding
doesn't change the income tax laws.

-HB

wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote:

tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires.
it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because
they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves
the rich

so let's watch the GOP try to spin this
No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.

-HB
aw gee...you're wrong as usual

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the
employee side.
Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to
help the unemployment problem
which, of course, is not the objective.
I thought "jobs" was job #1.
That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no
recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more
trouble with the debt.
True. Many welfare recipients don't buy durable goods - they steal
them. The illegal drugs many of them buy are not taxed and the use of
these drugs only add to the medical costs we pay for the indigent.

-HB

-HB

BAR wrote:
In ,
says...
X ` Man wrote:
On 12/5/11 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:05:52 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Conservatives do have principles:

http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/u34Brg

There is one lie floating around about the payroll tax cut.

I have heard several times that a 3% surtax on millionaires would pay
for it and if you can believe the IRS, that isn not close to right.

From the IRS tax stats
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in32tt.xls

Amount of tax
32,755,871,000
19,393,235,000
46,943,630,000
24,617,005,000
53,790,324,000

Income Level

$1,000,000 under $1,500,000
$1,500,000 under $2,000,000
$2,000,000 under $5,000,000
$5,000,000 under $10,000,000
$10,000,000 or more

Number of returns

46,741
20,561
29,928
7,404
4,916


Total tax from the1,000,000
180 billion (round numbers)
3% of 180 is 5.4 billion (using the definition of "surtax" when they
did it in the 70s)

How does that cover a $120 billion dollar tax cut?

Are they really saying they want to raise the marginal rate by 3%
Still won't come close to doing it.
They need to raise the whole tax bite by 66% going from $180B to $300B



The real issue is that the Republicans want to protect their
millionaire supporters from *any* substantive tax increases, even if
it means raising taxes for the middle class by doing away with the
payroll tax cut.

$1500 or so has meaning for middle income folks. It might pay for a
needed car repair, dentist trips for the kids, whatever. The
Republican whores would rather end that tax break for wage earners so
as to shield its clients from paying a bit more.

Payroll taxes are paid my the employer, not the employee. Reduced
payroll taxes help to add jobs, bozo.
Employers do not hire based upon the payroll taxes they have to pay.
It helps. Not a lot but it doesn't hurt.

-HB

On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:39:17 -0500, Honey Badger
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:43:44 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:37:28 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:53:03 -0500, wrote:


Damn Bob you got one right, in fact the 2% Obama cut is from the
employee side.
Unfortunately the employer side stayed the same so it did little to
help the unemployment problem
which, of course, is not the objective.
I thought "jobs" was job #1.
That is the flaw in the whole recovery. Without jobs, there is no
recovery, Welfare is not going to do anything but get us in more
trouble with the debt.
True. Many welfare recipients don't buy durable goods - they steal
them. The illegal drugs many of them buy are not taxed and the use of
these drugs only add to the medical costs we pay for the indigent.


and when wall street bankers stole 10 TRILLION from the economy
putting 14M people out of work...

how'd that work out for us?

i'll take a welfare cheat over a hedgefund manager any day

On Dec 6, 9:33*pm, Honey Badger wrote:
North Star wrote:
On Dec 5, 9:37 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 12/5/11 7:53 PM, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:49:17 -0500, Honey Badger
* *wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0500, wrote:
tax cuts pay for themselves ONLY if they're given to millionaires.
it's a waste of time to give tax cuts to the middle class because
they're all lazy and shiftless and can be replaced anyhow. god loves
the rich
so let's watch the GOP try to spin this
No need for spin - employees don't pay payroll taxes, employers do.
-HB
aw gee...you're wrong as usual
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax
Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes.
The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from
employees' wages
employers are required to withold from an employee's wages
IOW the employee pays them
BZZTT!! thanks for playing. what do we have for him, johnny?
Dan Krueger by any handle is still dumb as a post.

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....and to think he claims to be more than a 'counterman' in his
daddy's contractor supply business.

Nice try. *Want to place a wager on that? *Let's start with the part
where my father is dead. *Ready?

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Ok... it's your mommy that you 'work' for.
Is that who Margaret is.... your mommy and employer?