In article 098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22-
, says...

On Dec 13, 8:28*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:







On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black
wrote:

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter.

Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as
you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting.
On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing.
Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot.

"Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I
asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing
range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet
away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing
challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the
hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in
"combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate.

My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has
the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's,
380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.



Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available!

?8^ 0

I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces?

On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22-
, says...

On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:







On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black
wrote:

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter.

Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as
you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting.
On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing.
Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot.

"Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I
asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing
range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet
away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing
challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the
hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in
"combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate.

My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has
the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's,
380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.



Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available!

?8^ 0

I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces?

Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the
basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't
talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended
himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever...
This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick
really...

On 12/14/11 7:44 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22-
, says...

On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:







On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black
wrote:

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by
shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing
the critter.

Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as
you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting.
On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing.
Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot.

"Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I
asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing
range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet
away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing
challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the
hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in
"combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate.

My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also
has
the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's,
380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.



Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available!

?8^ 0

I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces?

Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the
basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't
talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended
himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever...
This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick
really...


Your ego is getting in the way of your limited brain power, little
turdman. Sooner or later, the 14-year-old girl who lives next door to
iLoogy will wipe the floor with him, and, with your mouth and reputation
and history, I have a feeling you'll be a suicide by cop.

I've had a few physical fights in my lifetime, little turdman, but at my
age, I'd prefer weaponry that gives me the advantage. I'm sure you get
into physical fights all the time...it's pandemic among little hotheads
like you who can't control themselves.


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http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN

On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:27:07 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Dec 13, 6:23*pm, Black Cloud wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:21:04 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:56:56 -0800 (PST), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Dec 13, 1:31*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:28:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 12, 6:43*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/12/11 7:22 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:09 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:

On 12/12/11 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:43:45 -0500, X ` Man

Oh, a 200-pound mammal, man or otherwise, is not that hard to stop with
a few shots from a 9mm pistol.

You go first *;-)

I haven't had to shoot any animals and I hope I never have to do so. I'm
not concerned about bears out at the Shenandoah, but the packs of wild
dogs concern lots of residents and visitors out there.

I've read enough about bullet impact to know that if I had to drop a
thug with a 9mm, I could do so. I only use the "cheap" ammo for target
practice. For defense, I use Speer Gold Dot 9MM +P 124 grain hollowpoints:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YcwaMwB13Gg

I don't like the higher grain count 9MM rounds.

I think if you had actually shot a few animals you would find out they
are a lot tougher that you think.
It is no accident that people use slugs in shotguns or center fire
rifles to hunt bears and a bear hunter still gets mauled occasionally
by a bear with a couple of bullet holes in him.

9mm is barely enough to call a self defense round against 2 legged
animals, even with high performance bullets. Cops use them, simply
because of the perception that more rounds in the magazine will make
up for mediocre terminal performance.
It is no accident that the FBI uses a 40 cal.

.40 S&W produces too much muzzle flip for real accuracy and is also a
lot louder than 9mm. 9 mm is a fine self-defense round for someone who
knows how to shoot a pistol. Terminal performance is not an issue in
most armed encounters, where the range typically is less than 15 feet.
At that distance, I can put 10 rounds in a damned small circle, even if
I am firing rapidly.

I don't have a 9mm but I do have a .380 and yes, at 15 ft. I can put
about 3 rd.s in a 3" circle. However, I also have a 45ACP AMT
Hardballer, *AND an original 1917 issue Colt 1911A . I use hand
drilled, hollow point, lead wad cutters in both.

And with either. I can put 1 slug through a 3" circle. *And in a "have
to" situation, that's all that would be necessary.

I have a .380 I can hit things with too but I am not expecting a lot
of stopping power out of it. This is a .380 round bouncing off a hard
drive.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg

A .45 will get the job done.

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) *you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter.

Bleeds them out for better butchering, too!

Well, that was the point of killing it in the first place.

On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.

==

In what way is it customized?


It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black
wrote:

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing the critter.

Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as
you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting.
On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing.
Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot.

"Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I
asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing
range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet
away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing
challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the
hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in
"combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate.

My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also has
the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's,
380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.

Good thing you have your guns to protect you, you sniveling coward.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 12/14/11 7:44 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 7:28 AM, BAR wrote:
In article098b9bc6-5149-4cc1-9a22-
, says...

On Dec 13, 8:28 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/13/11 9:09 PM, wrote:







On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0500, Black
wrote:

22's are far more lethal. It has been proven. They enter one place,
bounce around, and exit another. Very Lethal

.223 perhaps but not really true of the .22rf.

They can cause fatal damage but it is not really immediate and in a
serious social situation (or a bear attack) you want immediate
results

On the farm, we would use a .22 to stun a steer unconscious by
shooting him in the forehead. Then,
when he was down, slit it's throat. Pretty humane way of killing
the critter.

Israeli hit men seem to like .22s but they are doing the same thing as
you. putting the gun up against the victim's head and shooting.
On the other hand a shot to the center of mass is a pretty iffy thing.
Reagan had a .22 round in a lung and barely even knew he was shot.

"Civilian" gun fights/attacks usually take place at 15 feet or less. I
asked about this when I first started shooting at the local cop firing
range and noticed most of the cops firing at targets seven to 20 feet
away. Massad F. Ayoob often talks or writes about short-range firing
challenges. At close range, even a .22LR pistol will be deadly in the
hands of a good shooter. The advantages of the light-caliber handgun in
"combat" are low recoil, little muzzle flip, and fast cyclic rate.

My custom CZ is the most accurate pistol I've ever shot, and it also
has
the fastest cycling rate. I've shot .40's, 9's, 10's, 45's, 22's, 25's,
380's, et cetera. If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.



Atthat instant, I'd be happy to grab what was available!

?8^ 0

I like that civilian combat. Who are the opposing forces?

Holy crap, I can imagine the fantasy he has when he is sitting in the
basement dreaming of shooting me or Kevin... It says a lot that he can't
talk about it any other way, shows that he has never really defended
himself with his hands and feet, stick, rock, sand, thumb, whatever...
This is a guy that lives in some kind of fantasy world, pretty sick
really...


Your ego is getting in the way of your limited brain power, little
turdman. Sooner or later, the 14-year-old girl who lives next door to
iLoogy will wipe the floor with him, and, with your mouth and reputation
and history, I have a feeling you'll be a suicide by cop.

I've had a few physical fights in my lifetime, little turdman, but at my
age, I'd prefer weaponry that gives me the advantage. I'm sure you get
into physical fights all the time...it's pandemic among little hotheads
like you who can't control themselves.

In other words, you are a cowardly fat ****.

On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote:
On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.

==

In what way is it customized?


It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote:
On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.

==

In what way is it customized?


It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy
such a pistol

On 12/14/2011 10:30 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/14/11 10:23 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/14/2011 9:08 AM, Ombudsman wrote:
On 12/13/2011 10:01 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:28:13 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

If I were in a civilian combat situation, my sidearm
of choice would be my customized CZ.

==

In what way is it customized?


It has custom engravings of a penis on both sides of the barrel.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


What are you laughing at? You'd have to sell everything you own to buy
such a pistol

....and still, I am more content with my lot in life than you...