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On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:47:21 -0500, Drifter wrote:
I assume that you say drug use is a "victimless" crime. I strongly disagree on that point. === There are plenty of very legitimate issues with drug use but you can't control that aspect by making drugs illegal. Exactly the same as prohibition - if people want to buy something, they'll find a way and others will be there to help them and profit. |
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In article om, .
@..com says... On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, wrote: You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized. Do you have an appetite for the stuff? The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns nothing to the tax payer. The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional assaults (profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the list goes on) Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for years. === In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become pervasive. The war on drugs is unwinable. The war on crime is unwinable. The war on terrorism is unwinable. Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable. Let's abandon those efforts. We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more. Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. |
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On 12/12/2011 7:45 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com, . @..com says... On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, wrote: You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized. Do you have an appetite for the stuff? The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns nothing to the tax payer. The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional assaults (profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the list goes on) Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for years. === In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become pervasive. The war on drugs is unwinable. The war on crime is unwinable. The war on terrorism is unwinable. Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable. Let's abandon those efforts. We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more. Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. Yup. Condition 1. Then see how ****heads like Krause behave. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 12/12/11 7:45 AM, BAR wrote:
Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. Well, that ought to cut down on the number of obnoxious, right-wing assholes like you. Will you wear a target on your foreheads? |
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On 12/12/2011 8:31 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/12/11 7:45 AM, BAR wrote: Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. Well, that ought to cut down on the number of obnoxious, right-wing assholes like you. Will you wear a target on your foreheads? Would that make it easier for you to take aim at a human? -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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In article m,
says... On 12/11/2011 3:05 PM, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:16:47 -0500, wrote: On 12/11/2011 1:16 PM, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, wrote: You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized. Do you have an appetite for the stuff? The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns nothing to the tax payer. The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional assaults (profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the list goes on) Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for years. I C If it's difficult to police then legalize it. Does that make sense? It is easy for the police, they love the Rambo aspect of kicking down doors and slapping people around. It is just hard on the tax payer and the innocent people who end up paying for it or just get swept up in the violence (narco or police) I suppose you thought alcohol prohibition was a great idea too. There are far more parallels than differences. In fact the laws against pot were strengthened in the 30s to fill the gap when all of the prohibition agents were laid off. There was more than just a little racism involved too. Pot was seen as being a black and latino drug of choice while middle class people just got drunk on the "good" drug. Alcohol abuse often has the same result as drug use. I don't know of any drug, alcohol included, that enhances your senses, awareness, and motor control. I suppose that is why employers frown upon the use of any of those substances in the workplace. Gosh, they've even banned smoking,"for the public good". It's tough when people can't act responsibly. They have to be regulated and I know you don't like it. Most employers are just looking at the bottom line. The insurance carriers give them a discount if the implement strict drug and alcohol use restrictions. |
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On Dec 12, 9:29*am, Drifter wrote:
On 12/12/2011 7:45 AM, BAR wrote: In raweb.com, . @..com says... On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, wrote: You *seem to be extremely interested in getting *Mary Jane legalized. Do you have an appetite for the stuff? The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns nothing to the tax payer. The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional assaults (profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the list goes on) Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for years. === In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like prohibition. * The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market supplied. * *Profits of this industry are artificially inflated because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. * Like prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than the original problem. * Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become pervasive. The war on drugs is unwinable. The war on crime is unwinable. The war on terrorism is unwinable. Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable. Let's abandon those efforts. We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more. Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. Yup. Condition 1. Then see how ****heads like Krause behave. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Would packin' heat make y'all feel like big brave men? |
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On 12/12/11 9:18 AM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 12, 9:29 am, wrote: On 12/12/2011 7:45 AM, BAR wrote: In raweb.com, . @..com says... On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, wrote: You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized. Do you have an appetite for the stuff? The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns nothing to the tax payer. The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional assaults (profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the list goes on) Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for years. === In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become pervasive. The war on drugs is unwinable. The war on crime is unwinable. The war on terrorism is unwinable. Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable. Let's abandon those efforts. We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more. Require everyone 18 and over to carry a loaded pistol. Yup. Condition 1. Then see how ****heads like Krause behave. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Would packin' heat make y'all feel like big brave men? Being in the navy didn't... -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
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