On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.


I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:

On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.


I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.

On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star





wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a
sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our
local Power & Sail Squadron
Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and
the urge fades.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote:

On 12/15/11 7:42 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 14, 8:32 am, wrote:
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused
interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested.

The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf

There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected
representatives and voicing your concerns.

That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated
her Garmin and gave her old one.

I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll
all be screwed up


From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United
States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled
corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory
that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing
services because, well, because they say so.

On the other hand, we have reports that:

Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful
interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said
Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for
Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and
industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday.

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

Corporatism uber alles.

You would think your friggin' president would do something for the 'common man', wouldn't you?
Trouble is, he's bought and paid for. Y'all just haven't realized it yet.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:36:53 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:

On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star





wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man

wrote:
How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us.
Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially
now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily
on the service.

===

A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days"
when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or
so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out
to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually
improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now
because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back
to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders
(extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our
original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but
after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than
nothing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a
sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our
local Power & Sail Squadron
Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and
the urge fades.

===

It's worthwhile to take the course if you're at all interested in
navigation as a science. There's no doubt however that GPS is
cheaper, easier and a lot more accurate. It's my understanding that
celestial nav is no longer being taught to naval officers. Prior to
the mid 80s no one could call themselves a serious offshore cruiser
unless they knew celestial and were halfway decent at it.

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

===

That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots
opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated.
That's why it is important that everyone write.

My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter
with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies.

Just more god damned government interference with free enterprise.
Let's hope Obama and his minions have read the tea leaves and keep their
hands off.
They just want to kill jobs.
They'll kill the Lightspeed jobs, and kill all the other jobs which will
be created by the marketplace to adjust to the new reality.
That's how the free market works.
Anybody who says otherwise is a commie and should shut their traps.
And move to North Korea or Cuba too!

On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote:
On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote:









On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:

From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United
States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled
corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory
that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing
services because, well, because they say so.

On the other hand, we have reports that:

Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful
interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said
Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for
Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and
industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday.

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

Corporatism uber alles.

WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING...

As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my
GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles
or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I
like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of
course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the
year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS!

At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon
of a road....

On Dec 15, 7:39*pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote:





On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote:

On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:

From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United
States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled
corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory
that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing
services because, well, because they say so.

On the other hand, we have reports that:

Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful
interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said
Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for
Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and
industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday.

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

Corporatism uber alles.

WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING...

As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my
GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles
or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I
like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of
course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the
year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS!

At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon
of a road....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can be tricked by the gadgets.
In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4
sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission
aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair
inside)
Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a
particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes.
The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and
narrower.
We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. Retraced our
steps and followed the highway signs from then on.

On 12/15/2011 6:49 PM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:59 am, wrote:





On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote:

On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:

From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United
States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled
corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory
that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing
services because, well, because they say so.

On the other hand, we have reports that:

Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful
interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said
Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for
Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and
industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday.

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

Corporatism uber alles.

WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING...

As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my
GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles
or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I
like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of
course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the
year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS!

At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon
of a road....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can be tricked by the gadgets.
In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4
sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission
aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair
inside)
Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a
particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes.
The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and
narrower.
We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. Retraced our
steps and followed the highway signs from then on.

Be careful when navigating the roads of far northeast territories. Many
of the roads end up in a farmer's driveway.

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

On Dec 15, 5:49*pm, North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:39*pm, Tim wrote:









On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote:

On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote:

On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:

From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United
States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled
corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory
that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing
services because, well, because they say so.

On the other hand, we have reports that:

Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful
interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said
Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for
Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and
industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday.

How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area
that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And
we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future
commercial GPS service.

Corporatism uber alles.

WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING...

As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my
GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles
or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I
like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of
course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the
year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS!

At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon
of a road....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can be tricked by the gadgets.
In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4
sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission
aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair
inside)
Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a
particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes.
The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and
narrower.
We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our
steps and followed the highway signs from then on.

The only time I've really used it was to find my way around unfamiliar
towns. To me it's useless on a 4 lane, but coming into some place like
Chicago, St. Lou,or Indianapolis, it's handy to catch the right exit
and street, especially during a rush hr. traffic.