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On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)

Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.


I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.

Yeah, I've heard about New Haven Apizza, and would like to try some.

On 1/5/12 11:15 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articleiqKdnYTI0K2iXpjSnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)

Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.


I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.

Yeah, I've heard about New Haven Apizza, and would like to try some.


There's four fairly famous pizza places in the New Haven area. I
frequented two of them, Pepe's and Sally's, on Wooster Street in the
downtown area. There's an Italian ice shop right next door and I recall
a bakery there, too.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 10:01 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 8:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/4/12 9:30 PM, Tim wrote:
http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

?Boats are a great investment for a family because it?s a way to
socialize and spend time together,? says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. ?A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing ? it?s a unique way to bond. It?s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.?

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

Those $5.00 dogs will kill you, sooner or later!

I was chatting with some old friends about an amusement park with lots
of rides we used to frequent as kids. The park had no admission fee, and
all rides were 25 cents, and you could buy a lobster roll...a buttered
hot dog bun filled with real lobster meat, overfilled, really, for fifty
cents. Hot dogs were ten cents. Oh, and gasoline for our outboards was
.19 a gallon.

Obviously, it all went wrong somewhere.

But if you compare, more of the average paycheck went for that 19 cents
a gallon gas than today's paycheck goes for 3 buck gas.


I don't know what the average paycheck was back then. But as a nine year
old kid working weekends for my dad at his boat store and marina, I made
$2 an hour and I got tips from the boat owners whose boats I gassed or
washed. I had a boat with two six gallon tanks that would do for an
entire day of boating. About $2.50 for gas, a little more than an hour's
pay for weekend marina work. Of course, if my dad wasn't looking, I'd
fill up my boat gas tanks at his gas dock and "borrow" the two cycle oil
from the shop supply drum. In other words, it was pretty close to free.

Fifty cent lobster rolls. I miss those the most. :)

Growing up in potato farm country, we got a lot of gas for next to
nothing as well for our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Our fair food was
hot dogs, hamburgers and Italian sausages on a sub roll with grilled
onions and peppers, my favorite! We were pretty removed from
civilization, so food there wasn't really an adventure, just farm food.


I love Italian sausage with onions and peppers on a good crusty Italian
sub roll. Real Italian food was very common in my hometown while I was
growing up there. New Haven had a huge Italian population.

Our food was influenced alot by Penn. Dutch. Just good farm food with
lots of veggies. And yes, I love scrapple. One thing that always got my
friends that came to the area was that when you had raw ground beef, it
was "hamburg" without the er. It was only "hamburger" when it was shaped
into a patty and cooked!

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

On 1/5/12 1:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 1:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.

When I was in my teens, probably 14 or so, my brother worked for a
company that made wooden school chairs and desks. They paid in cash, and
had a contract with the government to clean money. Every coin that came
out of there was brand new shiny, and the bills were clean and crisp.
They sorted bills and returned ripped, worn, written on, etc. back to
the government.

On 1/5/12 2:24 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 1/5/12 1:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1962, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


I made a buck more the following year loading beer delivery trucks at a
local brewery. The third summer I got placed through the Boilermakers
union and did a little better learning to clean out and repair huge
boilers that came back to the factory on rail flatcars. Through the mid
1960's, the New Haven area was a hotbed of manufacturing and plants
competed for workers who were willing to work.

The boiler factory job was the toughest job physically I ever had.
Climbing into boilers in the hot summer sun to clean tubes and and and
reweld was enough to make me sweat and feel like Niagara Falls every day.

The boiler company paid in cash every Friday at 3 pm. An armored car
would come onto the property and hand out pay envelopes.

The end of my junior year, my dad got me a job with Ruger Firearms. Bill
Ruger was a customer and friend of his. In fact, Ruger had a Porsche
Speedster and when he came by to visit my dad, he let me drive it around
the marina. But I didn't take that job...I was hired by the Kansas City
Star to start working that summer as a reporter, and I worked there and
then when my senior year of college started, I was asked if I wanted to
work through my final two semesters. Of course I did. So I was on campus
a couple of days a week for classes but from 4 pm to 12:30 am, I was a
newspaperman. Great days and great memories.

When I was in my teens, probably 14 or so, my brother worked for a
company that made wooden school chairs and desks. They paid in cash, and
had a contract with the government to clean money. Every coin that came
out of there was brand new shiny, and the bills were clean and crisp.
They sorted bills and returned ripped, worn, written on, etc. back to
the government.


Money laundering!

On 05/01/2012 2:02 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:51:48 -0700,
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.

Or rent it. Also saves patching up road chipping and the like. Better
gas millage too when getting there.

--

Most of the people I know would be thousands of dollars a year ahead
if they just rented a boat on the dozen days a year they actually go
out. By the time you amortize a $40,000 boat over the 40 or 50 times
they use it before it just rots on the lift and toss in the
maintenance headaches from stale gas and other things sitting around
unused causes, $150 an hour rental is a bargain. They usually end up
getting a few thousand on a trade in and start over, promising
themselves they will try to use the boat more next time.
We get out 3 times a week for a couple hours each and I figure boating
costs me less than $8-10 an hour, all costs including maintenance and
gas in the computation. Gas is the biggest part of that number and
when we go slow in manatee season or when my wife says it is cold
(below 80) that can get me closer to $6-7 an hour.

Exactly. $100/day for 14 days is $1400 (book longer, lower rates). The
things depreciate faster than that. As you say, no stale gas, no
storage, no annual winterization, no road chips to repair, just fun.

Also why I charter. For the price you get the boat and a local expert.
While someone fiddles with their motor to get it started and doesn't
know where on the lake to go, your catching fish.

I can easily put $40K into investments for a 10% return and it pays for
the whole vacation each year.

Now if your retired, living on a lake, going to use it 60 days a
year....owning makes a lot of sense.

Plus without a boat you have flexibility. No obligations. Ocean
fishing in winter, or inland in summer, or the other coast and nothing
to tow. Probably why I lost count on the lakes/places I have fished.

Plus, if you have a boat, they don't let you take in on fly in fishing runs.

For me, it makes no sense to own. Being in southern Alberta, no real
decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

On 05/01/2012 5:36 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:09:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:30:06 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.metro.us/newyork/life/art...ing-affordable

“Boats are a great investment for a family because it’s a way to
socialize and spend time together,” says Ellen Hopkins, a spokes*woman
for Discover Boating. “A lot of my friends who grew up boating said
that one of their best memories was going out with their dads on
Sundays and fishing — it’s a unique way to bond. It’s like a
minivacation, even just being on a kayak on the water.”

Yeah, beats driving 120 miles to 6 flags and paying $50 bucks each to
get in then end up standing on hot asphalt waiting an hr to ride some
whirlie-gig and eat $5.00 hotdogs....

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.

So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.

Who cares?

Bad day fishing beats a good day at work.

Hearing the loons at sunset priceless peace and nature.
--
No mater how liberally you try to ignore rationality and reality,
reality always wins in the end.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:36:19 -0500, Happy John
wrote:

The cheapest way to own a boat is to use it a lot. Then your per hour
cost drops to a very low number.

So does the marginal cost per pound of the fish you catch.

===

Yes but I don't measure fish caught "by the pound" although it might
be an interesting number. I've finally gotten my cost "per fish"
down close to the 4 digit range.