On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

In fact, in 1982 I was making 7-11 dollars an hour at Standadyne as a
machinist, and remember my dad telling me I was making nearly as much as
he was... and he had been on the top tier of pay as a senior seniority
General Warehouseman... That was twenty years after Harry says he made 7
an hour as a part time warehouseman in the union... And so, it starts....

On 1/6/12 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.


It wasn't a warehouse, it was a factory. I happened to work out of the
shipping and receiving department, loading finished product and
unloading coils of steel and other industrial materials.

We were paid nearly three times the minimum wage at that time, plus
bennies. The $7 an hour package included the bennies, such as health
care and our retirement fund, and a couple of other items. It's been a
long time, but I recall the bennies were worth close to $3.00 an hour.
It's not an unusual model: many construction unions have similar
contracts...a $40 an hour compensation, of which $12 to $15 or more goes
to bennies.

There was another job I could have taken through another union during
that time period, another factory that made electrical motors. The
starting pay was a little higher. I don't remember why I took the job I
did instead of the other one.

Whatever your dad's experience, it was just anecdotal, just like mine
was just anecdotal.

On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

On Jan 6, 7:54*am, North Star wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:24*pm, Tim wrote:





On Jan 5, 2:24*pm, Canuck57 wrote:

For me, it makes no sense to own. *Being in southern Alberta, no real
decent lakes (there are a few but crowded) it saves me dragging it all over.
--

But that's one of the beauties of a smaller trailer boat. It's paid
for, doesn't eat much, can be hooked to an any or no given notice, and
even head for a small lake 25 mi away (Omega Lake), run what you brung
and go home. No appointments, no real travel time, no hassles.

Kinda nice in the middle of the summer to drag the boat to work (4 mi)
the at 5, head for the lake, boat/relax for about 2-21/2 hrs, and be
home by 9pm right when the sun is down. *did that 2-3 times a week a
couple years ago.

Sometimes it was just the boat, a life vest and a cold bottle of
water., and me *of course.

very peaceful

! agree!
A trailerable boat is a great way to go. Sure saves a lot in yacht
club fees and you can boat in a much larger area without long ocean
voyages. The trick is to figure out what size boat is practical for
both small/medium lakes and coastal ocean waters.

I find my 20 footer to be right for Lake Erie, rough or smooth.

On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start
during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had
other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in
the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the
manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to
pony up to get qualified workers.

On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the
kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least
10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's...

The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an
hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the
fastest in my department...

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 1/6/12 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

My father paid his "adult" (16 and over) dockboys $3.50 an hour to start
during the mid to late 1950's. I got less because I was younger and had
other perks, being the son of the owner. Wages were very competitive in
the Greater New Haven area in those days, what with all the
manufacturing going on. Lots of defense contracting. Companies had to
pony up to get qualified workers.

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf

In article ,
says...

On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the
kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least
10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's...

The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an
hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the
fastest in my department...

Here's a good piece that tells the truth about wages in 1963:

http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-043.pdf

On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half
the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the
same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay
most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me
thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the
kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least
10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's...

The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an
hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the
fastest in my department...

As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see
that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or
about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster
in 1963, who am I to argue?

On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:42 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 11:12 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 10:01 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/6/2012 9:22 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/6/2012 12:02 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:06:48 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 1/5/12 12:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:58:33 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I don't know what the average paycheck was back then.

In the 50s my father made about $5,000-6000 a year as a GS11 in the
government
That GS11 is probably about 12x that now and gas is 17x

In 1963, at a summer job through the Teamsters, I was earning about
$7.00 an hour loading skids of razor blades and shaving cream onto
semi-truck trailers. It was a semi-skilled job (I ran a
forklift), so
probably paid below the "average" paycheck in those days. It was
higher
than many of the workers at the factory, but lower than the guys who
set
up and maintained the machinery. Shick used to sell us packages of
blades for a nickel each...that sure deterred theft. I'd load up
before
the semester started and then resell the blades on campus for half
the
price at the local markets. :) I also sold and delivered doughnuts,
picked up drycleaning and delivered pizzas, though not all at the
same
time. College was cheap back then and it was not difficult to pay
most
of your own expenses.

I was a Teamster in 1963, making a third of that. You must had a
heluva contract. I was only making $2.50 an hour at IBM in 1966


=============================
Seems like Harry raked in the money. 1964 in school apprentice for
NCR
was $95 a week. When I graduated 36 weeks school I made $120 a week.
Very good pay. My girlfriend at the time was an RN and and assistant
head nurse for the orthopedic floor and made $376 a month. Me
thinks an
apprentice forklift driver was making a lot less than $210 / week. My
stepfather was a college Prof. and made about $16k a year.
If you want to be the best at everything you need to start early in
life.

There is no way he was making 7 an hour running a forklift in 1963...
sorry... My dad was also a Teamster in 63, in a warehouse, running a
forklift, had been with the union nearly 20 years, had seniority, and
probably made about 1.50-2.00 per hour at the most.

Why would he lie about it? He has no sane reason to try to impress
anyone here at this late stage in the game.

I have no idea, but I know my dad who was a teamster didn't make the
kind of money he claimed he made as part time summer help, for at least
10-15 years, like the early 70's to mid 70's...

The base pay for a starting machinist (me) in 1979 was around $6.50 an
hour plus piece work... I averaged 8-11 bucks an hour then and I was the
fastest in my department...

As a matter of fact, if you look here at these figures, you will see
that the average pay for Americans in 1963 was about 5800 dollars, or
about $2.70 per hour... But if Harry said he was making $7 as a teamster
in 1963, who am I to argue?


oooops, forgot the link... here it is.
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1963.html
sorry...