In article 87285d1e-e75b-4bc3-ac09-57777ddf5250
@f33g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Jan 17, 9:48*am, Oscar
wrote:
On 1/16/2012 10:12 PM, JustWait wrote:









On 1/16/2012 12:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:50:07 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:51:44 -0700, wrote:

I would say the whole bridge crew better have some good answers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ip-sunday.html

If I was the owner, I would suspend everyone until I got solid answers.
Then fire everyone involved in the bad decisions.

But Italians look like they wasted no time in arrest.

===

Here's another report, translated from Italian, that seems to have a
ring of truth to it:

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Best as I can tell, the ship was underway at full speed and had a loss
of all AC power, and then restored it. The reboot process took time..
and in the process, the bridge got distracted by the lights and shore
and failed to realize that the ship was coming closer to shore...
(The rudder does not lock upon a power failure, but the auto pilot
disengages, and rudder control is returned to the helm.
If the helm control was not on zero rudder, the ship's course would
change, my guess slowly....)

While the bridge tries to get unconfused, (the Captain is at dinner
and is kept updated by short reports, but fails to realize the
commotion and confusion on the bridge) the reboot continued and the
position on the eChart showed them where they were based, but NOT on
GPS, but on the last datapoint stored in the system, updated for last
known course and speed.... (read a DR update...) The reboot process
takes more than 15 minutes, and the GPS update
takes at least ANOTHER 15 minutes, longer if the delta between the
current and expected position is large.

While all this is going on, they hit their first rock and that
prompted the first report that said that they had hit uncharted
rocks...

Then, they realized that they were some miles off course, closer to
land, trying to pass between a gap/channel that no sane ship driver
would try......

Hit more rocks, flooding, turned to shore to ground her, hit more
rocks, and started to heel over...

Now, the abandon ship process became much more complicated............

And the pictures tell the rest......

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There are reports coming out now that they were close to shore to salute
a friend on shore, showing off as it were... This is gonna' be bad for
the cowardly captain and his crew...

Has Sea Tow claimed salvage rights to the ship yet?

I wonder how theyre gonna break it loose and get it upright...

Or if they''ll scrap it on the spot?


http://tinyurl.com/85flbvp

On 1/18/12 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:59:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 17, 9:48 am, Oscar
wrote:
On 1/16/2012 10:12 PM, JustWait wrote:









On 1/16/2012 12:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:50:07 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:51:44 -0700, wrote:

I would say the whole bridge crew better have some good answers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ip-sunday.html

If I was the owner, I would suspend everyone until I got solid answers.
Then fire everyone involved in the bad decisions.

But Italians look like they wasted no time in arrest.

===

Here's another report, translated from Italian, that seems to have a
ring of truth to it:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Best as I can tell, the ship was underway at full speed and had a loss
of all AC power, and then restored it. The reboot process took time..
and in the process, the bridge got distracted by the lights and shore
and failed to realize that the ship was coming closer to shore...
(The rudder does not lock upon a power failure, but the auto pilot
disengages, and rudder control is returned to the helm.
If the helm control was not on zero rudder, the ship's course would
change, my guess slowly....)

While the bridge tries to get unconfused, (the Captain is at dinner
and is kept updated by short reports, but fails to realize the
commotion and confusion on the bridge) the reboot continued and the
position on the eChart showed them where they were based, but NOT on
GPS, but on the last datapoint stored in the system, updated for last
known course and speed.... (read a DR update...) The reboot process
takes more than 15 minutes, and the GPS update
takes at least ANOTHER 15 minutes, longer if the delta between the
current and expected position is large.

While all this is going on, they hit their first rock and that
prompted the first report that said that they had hit uncharted
rocks...

Then, they realized that they were some miles off course, closer to
land, trying to pass between a gap/channel that no sane ship driver
would try......

Hit more rocks, flooding, turned to shore to ground her, hit more
rocks, and started to heel over...

Now, the abandon ship process became much more complicated............

And the pictures tell the rest......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are reports coming out now that they were close to shore to salute
a friend on shore, showing off as it were... This is gonna' be bad for
the cowardly captain and his crew...

Has Sea Tow claimed salvage rights to the ship yet?

I wonder how theyre gonna break it loose and get it upright...

Or if they''ll scrap it on the spot?

I have heard on the news that the owner wants to fix it on site, float
it and try to get it on line again. Whether they can do that is
questionable but I am guessing the Greeks have dry dock facilities to
work on it if they can plug the holes and get it floating again.
I have heard comparisons to the Cole but the Cole is a far smaller
ship with a lot better water tight compartmentalization and a better
trained crew.


I'd guess the salvors are going to come up with an astronomical number
for refloating and that, added to the cost of repairs, will exceed the
insured value of the ship. Next step, the salvor's chains to cut the
ship apart and sell it for scrap.

On Jan 18, 2:39*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 1/18/12 1:16 PM, wrote:





On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:59:58 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 17, 9:48 am, Oscar
*wrote:
On 1/16/2012 10:12 PM, JustWait wrote:

On 1/16/2012 12:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:50:07 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:51:44 -0700, *wrote:

I would say the whole bridge crew better have some good answers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ip-sunday.html

If I was the owner, I would suspend everyone until I got solid answers.
Then fire everyone involved in the bad decisions.

But Italians look like they wasted no time in arrest.

===

Here's another report, translated from Italian, that seems to have a
ring of truth to it:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------

Best as I can tell, the ship was underway at full speed and had a loss
of all AC power, and then restored it. The reboot process took time...
and in the process, the bridge got distracted by the lights and shore
and failed to realize that the ship was coming closer to shore...
(The rudder does not lock upon a power failure, but the auto pilot
disengages, and rudder control is returned to the helm.
If the helm control was not on zero rudder, the ship's course would
change, my guess slowly....)

While the bridge tries to get unconfused, (the Captain is at dinner
and is kept updated by short reports, but fails to realize the
commotion and confusion on the bridge) the reboot continued and the
position on the eChart showed them where they were based, but NOT on
GPS, but on the last datapoint stored in the system, updated for last
known course and speed.... (read a DR update...) The reboot process
takes more than 15 minutes, and the GPS update
takes at least ANOTHER 15 minutes, longer if the delta between the
current and expected position is large.

While all this is going on, they hit their first rock and that
prompted the first report that said that they had hit uncharted
rocks...

Then, they realized that they were some miles off course, closer to
land, trying to pass between a gap/channel that no sane ship driver
would try......

Hit more rocks, flooding, turned to shore to ground her, hit more
rocks, and started to heel over...

Now, the abandon ship process became much more complicated.............

And the pictures tell the rest......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------

There are reports coming out now that they were close to shore to salute
a friend on shore, showing off as it were... This is gonna' be bad for
the cowardly captain and his crew...

Has Sea Tow claimed salvage rights to the ship yet?

I wonder how theyre gonna break it loose and get it upright...

Or if they''ll scrap it on the spot?

I have heard on the news that the owner wants to fix it on site, float
it and try to get it on line again. Whether they can do that is
questionable but I am guessing the Greeks have dry dock facilities to
work on it if they can plug the holes and get it floating again.
I have heard comparisons to the Cole but the Cole is a far smaller
ship with a lot better water tight compartmentalization and a better
trained crew.

I'd guess the salvors are going to come up with an astronomical number
for refloating and that, added to the cost of repairs, will exceed the
insured value of the ship. Next step, the salvor's chains to cut the
ship apart and sell it for scrap.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good luck to them.... that old freighter that grounded off our
northern coast in September is going nowhere fast.
Here's an old photo/story
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...fisherman.html

On Jan 16, 9:12*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/16/2012 12:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:









On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:50:07 -0500, Happy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:51:44 -0700, *wrote:

I would say the whole bridge crew better have some good answers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ip-sunday.html

If I was the owner, I would suspend everyone until I got solid answers.
* Then fire everyone involved in the bad decisions.

But Italians look like they wasted no time in arrest.

===

Here's another report, translated from Italian, that seems to have a
ring of truth to it:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Best as I can tell, the ship was underway at full speed and had a loss
of all AC power, and then restored it. The reboot process took time..
and in the process, the bridge got distracted by the lights and shore
and failed to realize that the ship was coming closer to shore...
(The rudder does not lock upon a power failure, but the auto pilot
disengages, and rudder control is returned to the helm.
If the helm control was not on zero rudder, the ship's course would
change, my guess slowly....)

While the bridge tries to get unconfused, (the Captain is at dinner
and is kept updated by short reports, but fails to realize the
commotion and confusion on the bridge) the reboot continued and the
position on the eChart showed them where they were based, but NOT on
GPS, but on the last datapoint stored in the system, updated for last
known course and speed.... (read a DR update...) The reboot process
takes more than 15 minutes, and the GPS update
takes at least ANOTHER 15 minutes, longer if the delta between the
current and expected position is large.

While all this is going on, they hit their first rock and that
prompted the first report that said that they had hit uncharted
rocks...

Then, they realized that they were some miles off course, closer to
land, trying to pass between a gap/channel *that no sane ship driver
would try......

Hit more rocks, flooding, turned to shore to ground her, hit more
rocks, and started to heel over...

Now, the abandon ship process became much more complicated............

And the pictures tell the rest......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are reports coming out now that they were close to shore to salute
a friend on shore, showing off as it were... This is gonna' be bad for
the cowardly captain and his crew...

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...ttino-lifeboat

But the captain's not guilty, especially of cowardice. just ask
him...

"The passengers were pouring on to the decks, taking the lifeboats
by assault," the newspaper quoted him as telling a judge during a
hearing to determine whether he should be held in custody on charges
of manslaughter and abandoning ship.

"I didn't even have a life jacket because I had given it to one of
the passengers. I was trying to get people to get into the boats in an
orderly fashion. Suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70 degree
angle, I tripped and I ended up in one of the boats. That's how I
found myself in the lifeboat," said Schettino.

"Suspended there, I was unable to lower the boat into the sea,
because the space was blocked by other boats in the water."


Told ya....