Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO

On 1/19/2012 2:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO

What's next? Close all the public restrooms?

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO

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Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.

On 1/19/12 4:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO

===

Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.



There's a 350-page analysis of various proposals to bring the area back
from the ravages of hurricanes, water pollution, overuse, etc.:

http://parkplanning.nps.gov/document...mentID =42715

The spots on the map that are suggested for the reserve seem to comprise
a pretty small percentage of the area in question.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO
===

Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?

On 1/19/12 8:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the
park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO
===

Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?


Uh...No Trespassing?

X ` Man wrote:
On 1/19/12 8:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently
released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure,
including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the
Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the
park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO
===

Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?


Uh...No Trespassing?
Of course. On public land paid by...taxpayers?

I get the security concern but I think the signs could be worded better
to illustrate that point.

On 1/19/2012 10:12 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:18:53 -0500,
wrote:

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?

Some places it means "do you want to see a nasty GI with a gun, up
close"?

This is NORAD

The answer was "no" and I couldn't take a picture at the gate.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/NORAD.jpg


Shortly after 9/11 I was making a delivery to Pfizer in New London right
next to a Small Military installation. Pfizer stinks, I mean the smell
is worse than a skunk, if you are not used to it, it will literally
knock you on your ass.

It was a nice night so I grabbed the Jeep (top off) and headed out. As I
got near the facility I pulled my bandana up over my face to help with
the smell and entered the facility. Wasn't a few seconds later I was
driving across the parking lot and three blackened out SUV's took bead
on me and literally drove me into the fence line and pinned my vehicle
(no contact) up against the fence as they surrounded me with very scarey
guns drawn... They chewed me out for pulling the cloth over my face and
I went on my way to clean my pants out... :/

On Jan 19, 9:12*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:18:53 -0500, Earl
wrote:

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?

Some places it means "do you want to see a nasty GI with a gun, *up
close"?

This is NORAD

The answer was "no" and I couldn't take a picture at the gate.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/NORAD.jpg

Greg, I think that manhole behind you is where they stuff you if you
go past the sign...

On Jan 20, 1:03*am, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:06:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:









On Jan 19, 9:12*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:18:53 -0500, Earl
wrote:

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?

Some places it means "do you want to see a nasty GI with a gun, *up
close"?

This is NORAD

The answer was "no" and I couldn't take a picture at the gate.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/NORAD.jpg

Greg, I think that manhole behind you is where they stuff you if you
go past the sign...

They are pretty serious about keeping people out. I called a couple
times trying to get a tour.

Oh yes, I know. "Restricted" doesn't mean "C'mon in"