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Update on ecigs...
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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. |
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Update on ecigs...
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
... In article , says... On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers... Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple. --------------------------------------- Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up should be one of the main freedoms. |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:18:55 -0800, "Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! Ain't that the truth! |
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On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. |
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#6
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ...
On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. -------------------------------------- It must be true, I read it on the internet. Most 2nd hand claims are very nebulas. My mother who died a year ago at almost 96 said lots of people called them "Cancer Sticks" even in her youth. Common sense should tell you they are not any good for you, but as Voltaire said, "common sense is not so common". The warning has been on the side of the packs for at least 35 years. Anyone claiming damage now, should be tossed from court for stupidity. |
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Update on ecigs...
On 2/24/12 5:20 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 2/23/12 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: How does a morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do? Higher health care costs? Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat ****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking. I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema, etc. by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction does that. ----------------------------------------------- Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than non smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost, and less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they have paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only would have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970. Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke. ------------------------------------------- No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe $2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined. Obesity is an epidemic! It took me about a minute to google up reliable cites on the damage caused by second hand smoke. Frankly, your post reminds me of the shaky claims cigarette companies made decades ago when they were trying to deny their products caused lung cancer. I wouldn't object to extra and heavy taxes on fast food junk food. -------------------------------------- It must be true, I read it on the internet. Most 2nd hand claims are very nebulas. My mother who died a year ago at almost 96 said lots of people called them "Cancer Sticks" even in her youth. Common sense should tell you they are not any good for you, but as Voltaire said, "common sense is not so common". The warning has been on the side of the packs for at least 35 years. Anyone claiming damage now, should be tossed from court for stupidity. It helps to know how to do reliable research via Google. I haven't read "most" claims about second-hand smoke, but I have read some from reliable medical and scientific sources. |
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