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On 2/25/2012 9:37 AM, BAR wrote:
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On 2/24/2012 11:40 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0500, wrote:

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Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

Where is the proof that people die from second hand smoke.

http://tinyurl.com/6t3p65o

The Effects of Secondhand Smoke on Adults

There is a lot of conjecture out there but they never put any real
numbers on it. Virtually every other pollutant has OSHA established
threshold limit values but cigarette smoke is seen to have a level of
zero. Are they really trying to say cigarette smoke is more dangerous
than all of the other chemicals that OSHA regulates?
The issue is simply that non smokers or "quit" smokers are offended if
they even SEE someone smoking. It is just about the only class of
people who can be discriminated against with impunity.

If you are simply using the health care cost issue, obesity is a far
bigger problem..

Someone else being obese doesn't harm YOUR health. Being around a smoker
does. I'm not offended by someone smoking, I just don't want mine or my
children's health compromised.


http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/healtheffects.html

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerC...condhand-smoke

Do you have independent peer reviewed studies that prove that 2nd hand
smoke from cigarettes kills people?



... and who says obese people don't effect others. I bet there is more
generation to generation obesity passed on, then generation to
generation cigarette smokers. And quite frankly, I have been in cars
with morbidly obese people who really couldn't maneuver enough in the
drivers area (and this was a Lincoln Towncar) to be safe on the road...
Either way, the phrase above again, is based on feelings, not facts...

Genetics has a lot to do with how people look. How big their head is,
how big their ass is, how big their belly is, what length their torso
is, how big their nose is, how big their ears are.

I don't think enough is known about the genetics of obesity or
addiction.


It's not like we need a panel or a study you know...

Yeah, it's just better to stick your head in the sand as opposed to
finding knowledge.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer
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Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You
should get
all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool.

I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not
make me
want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do.
There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us.
The
issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All
of
the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends
them
and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people
who
say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because
they
don't like the smell.

It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see
people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke.
I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if
they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger
present if
they had an ounce of will power.


What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the
habits of
others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to
pump
toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's
different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke
in
one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her?
Yes,
the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real
issue
here.

You should stay away from his house,then.

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get
all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool.

I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me
want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do.
There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The
issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of
the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them
and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who
say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they
don't like the smell.

It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see
people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke.
I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if
they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if
they had an ounce of will power.

What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of
others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump
toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's
different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes,
the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue
here.

There is nothing irrational about your fears, they are your fears and
your fears alone. What you don't have is the right to foist your
irrationality and fears upon the rest of society. You are free to live
on your property and live your irrational and fear filled life all alone
without interference from anyone.

On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote:
JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan.

Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every
assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume
it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context
made up bull****.. Just sayin'...

In article , says...

On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote:
JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan.

Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every
assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume
it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context
made up bull****.. Just sayin'...


Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You
take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment
purposes.

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says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:56:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer
wrote:

Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You
should get
all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool.

I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not
make me
want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do.
There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us.
The
issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All
of
the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends
them
and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people
who
say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because
they
don't like the smell.

It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see
people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke.
I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if
they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger
present if
they had an ounce of will power.


What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the
habits of
others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to
pump
toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's
different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke
in
one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her?
Yes,
the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real
issue
here.

You should stay away from his house,then.

His wife isn't the only one who smokes.

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

Really? So smoking known carcinogens isn't bad for you? You should get
all of your loved ones hooked on them too, there so cool.

I don't smoke, nor does anyone in my family but that does not make me
want to engage in irrational discrimination against those who do.
There are "known carcinogens" in virtually everything around us. The
issue is in the concentration, not the mere fact it is there. All of
the anti smokers here have admitted it is the smell that offends them
and they invent the danger based on that. It is like those people who
say they are "allergic" to perfume and after shave simply because they
don't like the smell.

It has gotten to the point that people complain if they just see
people smoking, too far away to even smell the smoke.
I believe it is because they fear they will start smoking again if
they are around tobacco, not that there is any real danger present if
they had an ounce of will power.

What is irrational about me not wanting to die because of the habits of
others? Again, I could care less if someone is stupid enough to pump
toxins into their body. But when they harm me or my family, that's
different. JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan. Is he discrimenating against her? Yes,
the stench IS a real problem, but my family's health is the real issue
here.

There is nothing irrational about your fears, they are your fears and
your fears alone. What you don't have is the right to foist your
irrationality and fears upon the rest of society. You are free to live
on your property and live your irrational and fear filled life all alone
without interference from anyone.

Again, it WOULD be irrational for me to tell someone not to smoke
because they are harming themselves. I don't care how much someone
smokes. Go ahead, get lung cancer, throat cancer, stomach cancer. I
don't care. But smoking goes way beyond that, in that it directly harms
others. I don't have a "fear filled life". But the fact remains, second
hand smoke causes disease and death in innocent bystanders.

In article , says...

On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote:
JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan.

Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every
assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume
it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context
made up bull****.. Just sayin'...


Really? Did you not say that you have an "office" with an exhaust fan
that produces "negative pressure" so that your wife can smoke in there
without affecting you and the rest of your family? Want to bet? Now,
show me just where I've used "conjecture, hysterics, and out of context
made up bull****." I'll bet you can't.

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says...

In article , says...

On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote:
JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan.

Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every
assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume
it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context
made up bull****.. Just sayin'...


Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You
take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment
purposes.

Damned right, he should go out and smoke his brains out, it's all right,
smoking isn't bad for you. I hope he gets his kids hooked on 'em too!

On 2/25/2012 2:48 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 2/25/2012 1:44 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In ,
says...

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:35:36 -0500, wrote:
JustWait even admitted that his wife is allowed to smoke in
one room that has an exhaust fan.

Just a note to those of you reading. iBoaterer is a liar, each and every
assertion he makes about me or my family, you can automatically assume
it's a falsehood, based on conjecture, hysterics, and/or out of context
made up bull****.. Just sayin'...


Why do you care what iBoater or anyone else in the newsgroup says. You
take these assholes too seriously. We are all here for entertainment
purposes.



Just don't think is cricket to make up stories about others family life
to make a point... But I just wanted to make the point that I deny
everything and anything he says about the way we live our lives here...