In article ,
says...

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:08:00 -0500, BAR wrote:

I have a 11 year old vehicle that costs me $200 a year in insurance

Where can you get liability only for just $200 a year?
(even at a minimum level)

USAA

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 3/5/12 7:34 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/5/2012 7:12 PM, BAR wrote:
In articleCYWdnYBbwIZ0iMjSnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 3/5/12 2:18 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote:

On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500,

wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't
bothered by
the
price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are
spending
is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one
extent
or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is
to
get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is
getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we
don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like
they
do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another
head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon
diesel
van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern
Italy.
It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount
of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.


Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from
the US
market, that's probably what
we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes
Sprinter is available, but they ain't
cheap.

What you just bought is way more beterer :-)

Well, it's definitely roomierer!




Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :)
Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get
at
least 10 mpg.

I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG.

I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one
of these, but don't know if
they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I
think I'll start a separate thread to
see if anyone knows anything about them.

And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is
why I responded to you.

If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it
might be
worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do.

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off
the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.

You'll void any warranty you have doing that.

IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does
it...

What would Rush do?

Why don't you ask him.

Or you could ask Jon Stewart since what he said was 100 times worse...
or Chris Matthews, or: Well, read for yourself, in the words of a
prominent Liberal...

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/0...c-liberal-men/


As far as I am concerned anybody swiping at Rush that didn't go after
Jon Stewart or MSNBC (Like the dem senators and congressmen that go on
those shows all the time and never have the courage to call them out),
you are just another loud mouth with no concern for decency...




A bull**** right-wing screed from "hot air"?

Hehehe.

If the left does it, it is ok. If the right does it, they should be
muzzled? We know how the left plays the game.

http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-g...nt-and-health-
insurance

Ms. Fluke is a left wing radical and she got what she deserved. There
will be no lawsuit.

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:36:09 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

What's your point? That's also well known.
To be clear, my point in posting is to refute your suggestion that oil
futures - and oil prices - are determined by producers and consumers and
classical supply/demand fundamentals.
Oil prices are determined by Wall Street speculators.
Nothing to do with market fundamentals.

===

Nothing at all? Interesting world you live in.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:18:13 -0500, JustWait wrote:

On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote:

On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500,

wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by
the
price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are
spending
is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent
or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is
to
get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is
getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we
don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like
they
do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another
head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon
diesel
van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern
Italy.
It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount
of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.


Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from
the US
market, that's probably what
we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes
Sprinter is available, but they ain't
cheap.

What you just bought is way more beterer :-)

Well, it's definitely roomierer!




Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :)
Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get
at
least 10 mpg.

I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG.

I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if
they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to
see if anyone knows anything about them.

And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you.

If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be
worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do.

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.

You'll void any warranty you have doing that.

IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it...

Kevin's warranty comment lead me to get out the warranty book again. I'd thought the warranty was
for three years or 36000. But, the Duramax is for five years or 100,000 miles.

Now all thoughts of any engine mods are out the window for a couple years!

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 3/5/12 2:18 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote:

On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500,

wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by
the
price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are
spending
is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent
or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is
to
get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is
getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we
don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like
they
do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another
head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon
diesel
van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern
Italy.
It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount
of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.


Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from
the US
market, that's probably what
we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes
Sprinter is available, but they ain't
cheap.

What you just bought is way more beterer :-)

Well, it's definitely roomierer!




Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :)
Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get
at
least 10 mpg.

I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG.

I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one
of these, but don't know if
they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I
think I'll start a separate thread to
see if anyone knows anything about them.

And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is
why I responded to you.

If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be
worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do.

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off
the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.

You'll void any warranty you have doing that.

IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it...

What would Rush do?

Call it foul names, of course. Oh, then when sponsers and such start
dropping like flies, profusely apologize.

In article m,
says...

On 3/5/2012 2:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@
5.com says...

On 3/4/2012 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, wrote:
In ,
says...


http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on-
a-government-funded-electric-lemon/


Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at
the
world with an open mind...


Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the
sales.

Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA

By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when
you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male,
female, or something else?

Hint for the misinformed:

I never posted as "plume".

If you stop using phrases that, plume exclusively, uses, you might be
believed.

Cite?

Yup. That's one.

Too bad you have no idea what in hell you're talking about!

In article , says...

On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.


You mean, break the law?


"Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a
clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is
your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power
and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also
give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the
1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is
important to them too.

Well, as to the emissions crap, if you take it off any new gas engine,
it won't run... Period.

Correct, everything is computer driven. Start unhooking things, and it
won't run.

On 3/6/2012 7:53 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

In , says...

On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote:

The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is
that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet.

The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive
downsized
with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from
breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs
needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer
period
of time and distance.

===

I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to
disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf.

Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes.
The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to
get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging
stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy
like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to
the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where
you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice
versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs
would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem
is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is
economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized
across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was
right. It would be great for running short errands and the like,
running on gas for the occasional longer trip.


The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars
feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking
points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of
the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say
"look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is
killing us....

New technology bad.... FOX tell me.

Never install version 1.0 software.

Never purchase the first versions of anything.

Let someone else work out the bugs.



What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate
whining of someone with no platform..

"The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw
it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work...


More of the undereducated trashing those with educations.

Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical
experience (or common sense).

Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world
means having papers) does NOT make one competent.

cite= YKW

--
O M G

In article , says...

On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.


You mean, break the law?


"Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a
clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is
your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power
and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also
give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the
1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is
important to them too.

No way... It's important but there is no way they get that good of a
burn without a catalytic converter...

They sure will! They've been completely engineered to operate as
efficiently as possible from conception on up, without a need for a
catalytic converter.

In article , says...

On 3/5/2012 9:33 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:50 -0500,
wrote:

On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get
specific enough.


You mean, break the law?


"Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a
clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is
your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power
and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also
give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the
1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is
important to them too.

No way... It's important but there is no way they get that good of a
burn without a catalytic converter...

If the engine was designed with a catalytic converter, you will have
problems if you take it off.

I'm pretty sure NASCAR doesn't run Cats, and he said NASCAR.. I wasn't
trying to be an ass, but I don't see NASCAR passing Emissions here in CT
anyway. Too much unburned gasoline at any RPM. And yes, I actually
posted this knowing it was Greg and if I am wrong, I will see a cite
fairly quickly

The OP said 1975 emissions.