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Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/6/2012 10:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In aweb.com, says... On 3/6/2012 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? I never said they were peer reviewed studies. You wanted cites to support my argument that Chevy dealers did not want Volt's on their lots because they were hard to sell. But using your standards, they have to be peer reviewed studies to be taken seriously. The medical profession has higher standards than the news profession, if you can call it a profession. So, you can use hearsay if it's not the medical profession, but if it is the medical profession, everything has to be peer reviewed? Oh, wait, I get it, if someone posts something that YOU don't' believe, it has to be peer reviewed (which I did but you've still not shown me a peer reviewed study that says second hand smoke is NOT harmful), but if you need to prove something, then hearsay is just fine. Incoherent raving. Same as plume. Incoherent? You didn't understand what I said? Need someone to help you? You seem to be the only one here who doesn't understand. Yawn! -- O M G |
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#203
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
In article m,
says... On 3/6/2012 10:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In aweb.com, says... On 3/6/2012 9:07 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In b.com, says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:47:44 -0500, wrote: In b.com, says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! Never say never. I'll bet you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.:-) Most Democrats are fiscally conservative when it comes to their own money, however, when it comes to your money they are as fiscally liberal as they can be. Typical unhinged far right winger, telling everybody else what they think and what they do. But it's ok when your boyfriend harry does it. Snerk 1. Harry's not my "boyfriend". I have true disdain for his actions. 2. No, it's not okay when Harry does it, and I've called him out on it hundreds of times right here. references please. iBoaterer, March 6, 2012 |
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#204
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
In article m,
says... On 3/6/2012 10:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In aweb.com, says... On 3/6/2012 9:09 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. New technology bad, FOX tell me. Do you read or listen to Fox? whooooooosh...... Plume, you couldn't woooooosh anyone. Rapid fire posting is another plume trait. Fess up now, sister. But John says I'm Kevin. I wish you stupid speculators would get your stories straight. |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:53:26 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work...  More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat... plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! YOU posted this: "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... Are you saying you don't believe it then? The real world does not exist on paper or in a CAD package. Engineers, in way too large a percentage, live in their paper and CAD virtual world and simply can't fathom something that they could draw not working in the real world. There is no validity to things that don't work in the real world Cite: feel free to cite me, if you wish. I am speaking from personal experience. Simply not true. I've been in the industry all of my life, from being a laborer to an engineer. |
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#206
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:11:28 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. Having only a University education certainly doesn't insure competence, either. Never said that it did. |
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#207
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 2:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:53:26 -0500, wrote: In , says... On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat...plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! YOU posted this: "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... Are you saying you don't believe it then? The real world does not exist on paper or in a CAD package. Engineers, in way too large a percentage, live in their paper and CAD virtual world and simply can't fathom something that they could draw not working in the real world. There is no validity to things that don't work in the real world Cite: feel free to cite me, if you wish. I am speaking from personal experience. Simply not true. I've been in the industry all of my life, from being a laborer to an engineer. Which specific industry are you in? -- O M G |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 12:37 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In aweb.com, says... On 3/6/2012 10:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In aweb.com, says... On 3/6/2012 9:09 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. New technology bad, FOX tell me. Do you read or listen to Fox? whooooooosh...... Plume, you couldn't woooooosh anyone. Rapid fire posting is another plume trait. Fess up now, sister. But John says I'm Kevin. I wish you stupid speculators would get your stories straight. I have no recollection of any Kevins ever posting here -- O M G |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
In article om, 5@
5.com says... On 3/6/2012 2:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:53:26 -0500, wrote: In , says... On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat...plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! YOU posted this: "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... Are you saying you don't believe it then? The real world does not exist on paper or in a CAD package. Engineers, in way too large a percentage, live in their paper and CAD virtual world and simply can't fathom something that they could draw not working in the real world. There is no validity to things that don't work in the real world Cite: feel free to cite me, if you wish. I am speaking from personal experience. Simply not true. I've been in the industry all of my life, from being a laborer to an engineer. Which specific industry are you in? Construction. |
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