"oscar" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, wrote:
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

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says...


http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on-
a-government-funded-electric-lemon/


Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look
at the
world with an open mind...

Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have
to find
another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to
purchase
and drive.
http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/

If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't
bitch
about who made it.

But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the
car of
YOUR choice?


I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or
a car
allowance.

I have. It's a pretty nice perk.


---------------------------------
Yes it is a nice perk. But if it is a car allowance and not a company
provided car, it has to meet your own requirements also, as that vehicle
will be your daily driver as well as weekend vehicle in most cases. since I
also towed my boat, I picked an Expedition in 1999 as that was the closest
to meeting all my requirements. That car allowance is taxable but you get
to write most of it off to the car, if you drive the car enough percentage
on company business, and the commute to work does not count in the company
miles for tax purposes.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/


Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look
at the
world with an open mind...

Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to
find
another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to
purchase
and drive.

http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/

===

With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a
Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on
that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country.

I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at
all
which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my
opinion.

Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against
getting
us off of oil.

The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind
on
when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night
time.

And there is a finite quantity of oil.

The amount of oil in North America makes Arabia look like an oil can
compared to a tanker truck.

Or so says FOX. So you think we should go to any length to get it, like
the oil sands of Canada? Isn't this a lovely sight:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...nd-landscapes/

Our whole country could look like that!


______________________________
So it is OK to drill and pollute the Middle East and South America, but not
here? Looks about like an open pit mine for most any mineral in the world.
US included. Most of the Electricity is oil or coal fired plants. So you
get to mine that or drill for that. Electric cars are burning fossil fuel
also, just not at the vehicle.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:00:39 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

What about that coal or oil fired generating plant?

===

Oil fired plants are becoming very uncommon as more and more of them
have converted to natural gas. Coal is being phased out everywhere
in the US. Petroleum is becoming a transportation fuel as opposed to
a stationary power plant fuel. Natural gas will eventually become a
transportation fuel also.

---------------------------------------------
Maybe in your area it is NG. I was just in Glenwood Springs, Colorado a
couple weeks ago for mini-vacation. There are all kinds of coal mines
around there and lots and lots of coal trains. We took Amtrak so got to see
lots of those trains.

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:00:39 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

What about that coal or oil fired generating plant?

===

Oil fired plants are becoming very uncommon as more and more of them
have converted to natural gas. Coal is being phased out everywhere
in the US. Petroleum is becoming a transportation fuel as opposed to
a stationary power plant fuel. Natural gas will eventually become a
transportation fuel also.

Coal is not being phased out, it is being forced out by regulation.

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says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/


Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look
at the
world with an open mind...

Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to
find
another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to
purchase
and drive.

http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/

===

With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a
Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on
that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country.

I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at
all
which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my
opinion.

Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against
getting
us off of oil.

The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind
on
when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night
time.

And there is a finite quantity of oil.

The amount of oil in North America makes Arabia look like an oil can
compared to a tanker truck.

Or so says FOX. So you think we should go to any length to get it, like
the oil sands of Canada? Isn't this a lovely sight:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...nd-landscapes/

Our whole country could look like that!


______________________________
So it is OK to drill and pollute the Middle East and South America, but not
here? Looks about like an open pit mine for most any mineral in the world.
US included. Most of the Electricity is oil or coal fired plants. So you
get to mine that or drill for that. Electric cars are burning fossil fuel
also, just not at the vehicle.

Give that man a prize!

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says...

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.

Is it cheaper to continue to drive the gas guzzler or is it cheaper to
acquire a fuel efficient vehicle. Where is the break-even point?

On 3/5/2012 6:12 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:00:39 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:

What about that coal or oil fired generating plant?

===

Oil fired plants are becoming very uncommon as more and more of them
have converted to natural gas. Coal is being phased out everywhere
in the US. Petroleum is becoming a transportation fuel as opposed to
a stationary power plant fuel. Natural gas will eventually become a
transportation fuel also.

Coal is not being phased out, it is being forced out by regulation.

The idea is to raise the prices so much, "green' energy seems competitive...

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.

Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what
we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't
cheap.

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:10:15 -0800, "Califbill"
wrote:
"oscar" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...



http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on-

a-government-funded-electric-lemon/


Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to
look
at the
world with an open mind...

Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have
to find
another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to
purchase
and drive.

http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/

If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't
bitch
about who made it.

But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the
car of
YOUR choice?




I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or
a car
allowance.


I have. It's a pretty nice perk.




---------------------------------
Yes it is a nice perk. But if it is a car allowance and not a
company
provided car, it has to meet your own requirements also, as that
vehicle
will be your daily driver as well as weekend vehicle in most cases.
since I
also towed my boat, I picked an Expedition in 1999 as that was the
closest
to meeting all my requirements. That car allowance is taxable but
you get
to write most of it off to the car, if you drive the car enough
percentage
on company business, and the commute to work does not count in the
company
miles for tax purposes.

I've had it both ways. I prefer getting the car with expenses,
including gas.

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy John
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

They said they
were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the
price
of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending
is
killing us....

===

I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or
another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to
get a
more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is
getting
expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we
don't
have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they
do
in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand
Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel
van
through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy.
It
had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of
luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg.


Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US
market, that's probably what
we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes
Sprinter is available, but they ain't
cheap.

What you just bought is way more beterer :-)