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Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? I never said they were peer reviewed studies. You wanted cites to support my argument that Chevy dealers did not want Volt's on their lots because they were hard to sell. But using your standards, they have to be peer reviewed studies to be taken seriously. The medical profession has higher standards than the news profession, if you can call it a profession. |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't bitch about who made it. But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the car of YOUR choice? I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or a car allowance. I haven't either and if I had, I wouldn't be looking that gift horse in the mouth. Why would you? It depends. My brother-in-law received a car allowance each month. The allowance was to include the lease on the vehicle, insurance, maintenance and fuel costs. The car he chose from the list of vehicles was a gas pig. He was busting through hi allowance each month due to the fuel costs. Then why did he choose a gas pig? It was on the list of approved vehicles. |
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#114
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! I never said that there will never be an electric car. I have said that the technology is not available at this time to make them useful. Lion technology has a heat problem that they haven't been able to solve. You are lucky that you can take your cellphone and computer on airplanes. Most bulk shipments of Lion batteries have to be specially packaged or shipped via surface carrier. Power density and recycling are the biggest problems with electric cars at this time. These issues will be resolved in time but, until then someone else can be on the bleeding edge of this technology. |
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#115
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:47:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! Never say never. I'll bet you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.:-) Most Democrats are fiscally conservative when it comes to their own money, however, when it comes to your money they are as fiscally liberal as they can be. |
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#116
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:20:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. Yes. This is the lesson unlearned in the 70's. Can we really afford to let this go again? The lesson from the 70's was, drill here, drill now. Bull****. If we had drilled here and drilled now in the 70's we would not have had to worry about the middle east at all. They could have ****ed all over each other and it would not have mattered to us in the US because we would have had our own oil being pumped from our own yards. |
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#117
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. |
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#118
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The power grid isn't robust enough today. Adding more and more charging stations is going to put more pressure on the system that it may not be able to handle. It is like keeping the 100 amp service into your house but re-wiring the inside to support 300 amps of continuous draw. Fancy new charging stations on the old busted power grid is like putting lipstick on a pig. The heads on the wind turbines are still tearing themselves apart. You can get lots of sunshine out in the middle of the desert but, you have to push the electricity too far to make it useful. My argument would be that you should buy a Prius or other small hybrid. The vehicle is more practical and can be a replacement for a couple of vehicles rather than just an around the neighborhood car. New things bad... FOX tell me.... Ok, buy a Volt and tell me how much you enjoy owning it. If I had to buy a Volt or Prius I would buy the Prius. Why, I don't have to get a special station installed in my house in order to charge up the battery. I don't have to worry about running the batteries down. |
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#119
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , dump-on- says... On 3/4/12 7:19 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The power grid isn't robust enough today. Adding more and more charging stations is going to put more pressure on the system that it may not be able to handle. It is like keeping the 100 amp service into your house but re-wiring the inside to support 300 amps of continuous draw. Fancy new charging stations on the old busted power grid is like putting lipstick on a pig. The heads on the wind turbines are still tearing themselves apart. You can get lots of sunshine out in the middle of the desert but, you have to push the electricity too far to make it useful. My argument would be that you should buy a Prius or other small hybrid. The vehicle is more practical and can be a replacement for a couple of vehicles rather than just an around the neighborhood car. Man will never fly. Power density. Power density. Power density. There is a reason that the Wright brothers didn't use an electric motor to power the airplane. Because they didn't have the technology. They had the technology. http://edisontechcenter.org/ElectricCars.html |
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#120
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On 3/4/2012 1:35 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. With all due respect Wayne, the Republican party doesn't control Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh doesn't control the Republican party. Rush will rise or fall based upon his audience and advertisers. The Republican party leadership has lost its way and holds no sway over the grass roots. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be muzzled due to her alienating swing voters. Every time she speaks she lies. The street has people on both sides ****ing off people on the other side of the street. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. I say as long as batteries are what they are, the jury is indeed out, and electric cars are dead... Want to wager a LOT of money? Provide proof as to who you are beyond all doubt and I may make a wager. |
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