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Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:40:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: In most cases the "speculator" is the logistics manager for some large petroleum consumer who is trying to do their job by locking up sufficient future supplies. I will grant what you say with this modification: "In some cases, the speculator is the logistics manager..." ====== Let's take an example that everyone understands. Most people fill up the tank of their car when it starts getting low, possibly less than a quarter of a tank give or take. However, if there is talk of a possible shortage or a major price increase, many people would start filling up more often, oerhaps when half full or even 3/4ths. Does that make them speculators? The exact same thing happens with logistics managers who are hired to ensure adequate future deliveries. Does that cause an increse in demand and increased auction prices? Of course it does. Does that make them speculators? What's your point? Most people know how commodity suppliers and consumers lock in future prices. The fact is speculators run the show. 70% of oil contracts are held by Wall Street banks and hedge funds. Pure speculation by the one-percenters. They don't produce oil or buy it in bulk. They shuffle and trade paper to suck up money any way they can. The 99-percent provide the money when they pay for oil. That's the face of it. Put all the make-up you want on it. It's still the same face. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/05/1...explains-more- about.html Are you saying you want all commodities futures trading to be made illegal? The farmers would revolt. Only one who said that is you - cocksucker. |
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#173
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 8:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man wrote: A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You mean, break the law? "Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the 1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is important to them too. Well, as to the emissions crap, if you take it off any new gas engine, it won't run... Period. Correct, everything is computer driven. Start unhooking things, and it won't run. Back in the eighties you could still run them without the emissions stuff but it took a lot of work. We used to get cars from the FBI and State with special EPA paperwork allowing us to remove much of the emmissions stuff on cars to be used in South Africa where fuel was still leaded...iirc... |
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#174
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/5/2012 9:33 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:33:50 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man wrote: A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You mean, break the law? "Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the 1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is important to them too. No way... It's important but there is no way they get that good of a burn without a catalytic converter... If the engine was designed with a catalytic converter, you will have problems if you take it off. I'm pretty sure NASCAR doesn't run Cats, and he said NASCAR.. I wasn't trying to be an ass, but I don't see NASCAR passing Emissions here in CT anyway. Too much unburned gasoline at any RPM. And yes, I actually posted this knowing it was Greg and if I am wrong, I will see a cite fairly quickly  The OP said 1975 emissions. 1975 emissions? Didn't even know there were regs on tail pipe emissions then.. |
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#175
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 8:44 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/5/2012 5:12 PM, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:14:47 -0500, X ` Man wrote: A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You mean, break the law? "Take the smog crap off" worked in the 70s when emission control was a clumsy add on to a conventional engine. These days the computer is your smog control. You can certainly tune the computer for more power and less for economy but the most efficient burn will usually also give you the least emissions. I bet a new NASCAR racer would pass the 1975 emission controls at anything but idle speed. Fuel consumption is important to them too. No way... It's important but there is no way they get that good of a burn without a catalytic converter... They sure will! They've been completely engineered to operate as efficiently as possible from conception on up, without a need for a catalytic converter. Need or not, they wouldn't run a cat... These are race cars. I still don't buy them passing emissions now. I know how fuel moves through an engine, I don't care how many computers you have. Heads are heads, valves are valves, and pistons are still pistons... |
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#176
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 9:10 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work...  If you really believe that, you are uneducated in the physical sciences, that's for sure. No, I just spent too many years in Huntsville Alabama.... |
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#177
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 9:11 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 7:43 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:26 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. What is Plum talking about with the "Fox tell me" crap.. The desperate whining of someone with no platform.. "The difference between Engineers and Technicians is, Engineers can draw it on paper, it takes a technician to actually make it work... More of the undereducated trashing those with educations. Apparently, you've never worked with an engineer that has no practical experience (or common sense). Note to Universe: Being Highly Qualified (which, in today's PC world means having papers) does NOT make one competent. But it doesn't necessarily make them INcompetent as Scotty is suggesting. I am so sick of you lying about what I said or meant... You make a good democrat... plonk again.. Gee, you almost lasted 12 hours! |
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#178
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 9:15 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... In , says... On 3/5/2012 7:31 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... In , says... On 3/4/2012 1:35 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. With all due respect Wayne, the Republican party doesn't control Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh doesn't control the Republican party. Rush will rise or fall based upon his audience and advertisers. The Republican party leadership has lost its way and holds no sway over the grass roots. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be muzzled due to her alienating swing voters. Every time she speaks she lies. The street has people on both sides ****ing off people on the other side of the street. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. I say as long as batteries are what they are, the jury is indeed out, and electric cars are dead... Want to wager a LOT of money? Provide proof as to who you are beyond all doubt and I may make a wager. Oh brother, Plume is reverting to the "wanna' bet" defense again... I have decided to call it out. I will bet it if it provides me with incontrovertible proof as to who it really is. It will have to figure out how to get the information about itself to me because I have put it back in the box for a while. Yep, little kid's minds, need to out someone in a newsgroup because you know you are just afraid of technology because FOX tells you to be. In one post you are telling us not to tell you what to think... Then you tell us what we are thinking each and every post! And the fact that you can't even see any other reason for us, the fact that your closed mind precludes you from even seeing the obvious and logical, proves you are an engineer, not a technician. Here's a hint... We are not afraid of new technology, even I have an Android and a GPS too, we just are logical and smart enough not to want to waste any more money on dead technology.. It's like going to school to learn latin.. |
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#179
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/6/2012 9:02 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... In articleCrKdnQpzkfNW_8jSnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 3/5/12 7:34 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 7:12 PM, BAR wrote: In articleCYWdnYBbwIZ0iMjSnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 3/5/12 2:18 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You'll void any warranty you have doing that. IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it... What would Rush do? Why don't you ask him. Or you could ask Jon Stewart since what he said was 100 times worse... or Chris Matthews, or: Well, read for yourself, in the words of a prominent Liberal... http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/0...c-liberal-men/ As far as I am concerned anybody swiping at Rush that didn't go after Jon Stewart or MSNBC (Like the dem senators and congressmen that go on those shows all the time and never have the courage to call them out), you are just another loud mouth with no concern for decency... A bull**** right-wing screed from "hot air"? Hehehe. If the left does it, it is ok. If the right does it, they should be muzzled? We know how the left plays the game. http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-g...nt-and-health- insurance Ms. Fluke is a left wing radical and she got what she deserved. There will be no lawsuit. Just why did Ms. Fluke "deserve" being called a slut and a prostitute? Well she did seek attention. Too bad Rush got to her first, before some kinder gentler talking head noticed the opportunity. Well, that's show business -- O M G |
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#180
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Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/6/2012 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... In , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? I never said they were peer reviewed studies. You wanted cites to support my argument that Chevy dealers did not want Volt's on their lots because they were hard to sell. But using your standards, they have to be peer reviewed studies to be taken seriously. The medical profession has higher standards than the news profession, if you can call it a profession. So, you can use hearsay if it's not the medical profession, but if it is the medical profession, everything has to be peer reviewed? Oh, wait, I get it, if someone posts something that YOU don't' believe, it has to be peer reviewed (which I did but you've still not shown me a peer reviewed study that says second hand smoke is NOT harmful), but if you need to prove something, then hearsay is just fine. Incoherent raving. Same as plume. -- O M G |
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