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On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. |
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On Jun 15, 5:21*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
Risk what? * *Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it *as a "risk". * They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. *"If I exist, I deserve" *type of thinking. *I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. *The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch agreed! |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch |
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On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. |
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On 6/15/2012 6:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. What sort of employer do you recommend we trust? AND what should we trust him with? |
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On 6/15/2012 8:46 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. Bull****...............You weren't listening to Eisboch............... Otherwise you wouldn't have made such a STUPID remark. |
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On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. |
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TED Talk on...
On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote:
On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... |
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On 6/15/12 10:12 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/15/2012 9:40 AM, wrote: On Friday, June 15, 2012 8:46:37 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote: On 6/15/12 8:22 AM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message ... On 6/15/12 6:21 AM, Eisboch wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:49:35 -0400, X ` Man wrote: ...income inequality among nations and the society havoc caused by massive inequality. TED is an interesting presentation of talks on a number of subjects by recognized experts in many fields. http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html For those who can actually think, it's an eye opener. Harry, look for the one with Nick Hanauer. A venture capitalist "job creator" admitting the truth about hiring and the disparity between rich and poor. Mobility is near dead in the US. Dozens of countries offer more mobility to those willing to work hard and risk. ---------------------------------------------------------- Risk what? Most people who ultimately achieve some level of achievement or what we used to call "success" don't view working hard at it as a "risk". They view it as an opportunity. Our culture has become overly influenced by the "instant gratification" mentality. "If I exist, I deserve" type of thinking. I have seen it exhibited often by newly hatched graduates. The ink isn't even dry on their sheepskin and they can't understand why employers aren't beating their door down with offers of high paying jobs or positions. Ya hafta pay your dues in life and you only fail when you give up trying. Eisboch The most important thing a new grad can do these days is get a job, any decent job, keep updating the resume, network like crazy, and jump to better jobs as they come along. There's little reason these days to be any more "loyal" to a "for=profit" corporation than it will be to an employee. *Never* trust a "for-profit" employer, not these days, not since the death of the social compact in the Reagan Administration. ---------------------------------------------------------- I don't disagree with that. I think it's the result of a double-edged sword however, with both employees and employers contributing to the demise of mutual loyalty. I also think there are other influences as well. Job functions and skill requirements used to be much more static over a career than they are now. Technology has accelerated obsoleteness. An ambitious employee in a go-nowhere job is alert to new job opportunities elsewhere, either for increased income or new challenges. Employers with moving targets in terms of rapidly changing markets for products or services can't carry those who aren't willing to learn new skills or accept changes in their routine. The secret to job security for an employee is to make themselves valuable to the employer. It's just the way it works. A for-profit corporation is just that. It's not a social security organization. Eisboch I know of and have read of too many instances where really hard-working people who were immensely valuable to their employers were dumped for all sorts of reasons, and virtually none of them were related to their job performance. I know of and have read of too many instances where lazy, unproductive assholes were protected by the union and kept their fat, cushy union jobs even though they were lazy, unproductive assholes with no values to the company and deserved to be dumped. Oh hell yeah, the teamsters were bad with that... Guys that sat in the bathroom getting drunk all night were protected, another guy who ate a grape lost his job... Well, if you ever get another job, you might not want to sit on the toilet all night, drinking beer and eating grapes. |
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