On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif


Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.


Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties...

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.

Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future.

Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future.

On 6/26/12 8:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.

Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future.

Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future.





Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with
electricity in the future.

On 6/25/12 8:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif



Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.


Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties...



You know that because you once served as a clean-up guy after a cocktail
party?

On 6/26/2012 8:06 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/26/12 8:03 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and
they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif


Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.

Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future.

Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future.





Which has nothing to do with the fact that "we can do better" with
electricity in the future.


'WE CAN DO BETTER" Sounds like a great bumper sticker for the Romney
campaign. Simple yet elegant and to the point.

On 6/26/2012 8:10 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/25/12 8:45 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif




Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.


Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties...



You know that because you once served as a clean-up guy after a cocktail
party?

You could do better.

In article , says...

On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif


Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.


Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties...

You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear,
solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you
that they don't exist?

In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.

Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future.

Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future.


We should go back further, like before the wheel was invented. Why did
those ******* Neanderthals have to come up with new things? The old
things were good enough.

On 6/26/2012 8:36 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 6/25/2012 6:51 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif


Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.


Shhhhh, that's not as impressive at the cocktail parties...

You stupid fool! I guess you've never heard of hydroelectric, nuclear,
solar, wind, etc.? Or is it that FOX or your insanity is telling you
that they don't exist?


You're the fool. With the exception of nuclear, the generators you
mention are VERY MINOR players. Your arguments are not arguments at all.
Just cries for attention.

On 6/26/2012 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:51:50 -0400, Oscar wrote:

On 6/25/2012 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:02:29 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...


You are making the same argument that automobiles will never replace
horses. Electricity is likely to be the next fuel, but one thing is a
sure thing: petroleum is going out.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Not for quite a while, I don't think.

Electricity and battery powered automobiles are simply examples of
energy generated by other means
and converted to electricity and/or stored in batteries. If the
current fascination with
"green", electric powered cars grows, we will see the cost of
generating the energy required
to charge them rise. The bulk of raw energy is still in the form of
fossil fuels and the conversion
process adds additional energy and cost requirements.

Those who think they are being "green" by driving a battery powered
car have been fed a
line of BS. It might make them feel good or give them some sense of
being environmentally
friendly, but the truth is they are more environmentally "unfriendly"
than friendly.
Lithium Ion batteries are the best technology we have to date and they
are an environmental
hazard the likes of which we haven't yet to fully experience.

Solar and wind can't come close to meeting the demand and nuclear is
still a political
hot potato. Here's where the energy used to produce electricity in
the USA comes from:

http://mapawatt.com/wp-content/uploa...table_2010.gif

Eisboch

All of that seems quite obvious. Batteries will likely NOT be the most
efficient storage medium, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be
used in the interim.

Oil is on its way out. Period.

Unless somebody can give me a viable alternative, I'm sticking with
electricity as the next fuel.


Electricity is a product made from mostly fossil fuels.

Yes, at this time, it is. We can do better, in the future.

Electricity is not a fuel now, nor will it be in the future.


We should go back further, like before the wheel was invented. Why did
those ******* Neanderthals have to come up with new things? The old
things were good enough.


Whiner!