On Jun 29, 4:07*pm, Oscar wrote:
On 6/29/2012 3:02 PM, North Star wrote:









On Jun 29, 3:29 pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

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I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. *I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, *self serving and self perpetuating. *Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.

So do you not value your family enough to want them to have healthcare?

If he valued his family, he'd get a job and contribute to supporting
them.

Don't you ever get tired of licking Krause's anus?

Don't you ever get tired of doing as you suggest with Snotties......

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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says...


This is the most screwed up, convoluted law ever enacted.
The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all,

Bull****. You said you're a "conservative."
The "conservatives" in Congress DON'T BELIEVE that health care should
be
affordable for all.
If they did, they'd write a bill that did that.
"Conservatives" DON'T BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE
FOR
ALL!
So be an honest man and lay out your plan.
Nobody with over an ounce of brain matter buys this bull****.
It's really as simple as that. I'm tired of this lying, ostensibly
"reasonable" bull****. Cut to the facts. It's all in the facts.
All other first world countries solved this years or decades ago.
I repeat, lay out your "conservative" plan and don't try jacking
honest
people around. Then convince your so-call "conservative" compatriots.
BTW, labeling yourself a "conservative" ties you up with that
political
hack crowd, as I hope I've made clear.
To real "reasonable" people, those who label themselves like a dime-
store item as "liberals" and "conservatives" are ****ing idiots.

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Wow. I guess you told me, huh?

I am conservative in my overall social and fiscal philosophies.
That's all.
You can be conservative but not be in agreement with conservative
politicians.

But, I am wasting my time.

On 6/29/2012 3:59 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 4:52 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:06 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 11:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/28/12 12:18 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/28/2012 9:20 AM, X ` Man wrote:
...Constitutional...

It's time for me to join the socialists?
I pay $6,200 for my healthcare premium with a $10,000 deductible, and
then I put $7,150 into my health savings account.
So each year I spend $13,350 for my families healthcare.

So what steps do I need to do to get the taxpayers to take care of
my health needs?

Mikek


You obviously do not understand how insurance works.

Please explain what you think I don't understand.
Mikek

I still want to now what you think I don't understand
about how insurance works. Maybe I need to make some changes.
Thanks, Mikek


For starters, do you regularly burn through that $7150 each year?

No! Current IRS rules allow me to roll it over into an IRA when I
start using medicare.

Next?
Mikek

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says...

But, I am wasting my time.

You saying "The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all" sure as hell is a waste of everybody's time.
It's a dishonest statement when you don't mean it.
And if you mean it, lay out how to do it.
You won't, because you can't, because you've labeled yourself a
"conservative." It runs counter to American "conservative principles."
That's why they - and YOU - are so opposed to the PPACA.
Laying out a plan would only prove you're NOT a "conservative."
So just quit lying about it.
Reasonable, thinking people are tired of that "waste of time" bull****.
You wear the label you put on yourself.
That's how it is. It was your choice.
Accept the label, or change it.
But don't lie about it. You're old enough to know better.

In article ,
says...

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...


This is the most screwed up, convoluted law ever enacted.
The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all,

Bull****. You said you're a "conservative."
The "conservatives" in Congress DON'T BELIEVE that health care should
be
affordable for all.
If they did, they'd write a bill that did that.
"Conservatives" DON'T BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE
FOR
ALL!
So be an honest man and lay out your plan.
Nobody with over an ounce of brain matter buys this bull****.
It's really as simple as that. I'm tired of this lying, ostensibly
"reasonable" bull****. Cut to the facts. It's all in the facts.
All other first world countries solved this years or decades ago.
I repeat, lay out your "conservative" plan and don't try jacking
honest
people around. Then convince your so-call "conservative" compatriots.
BTW, labeling yourself a "conservative" ties you up with that
political
hack crowd, as I hope I've made clear.
To real "reasonable" people, those who label themselves like a dime-
store item as "liberals" and "conservatives" are ****ing idiots.

---------------------------------------

Wow. I guess you told me, huh?

I am conservative in my overall social and fiscal philosophies.
That's all.
You can be conservative but not be in agreement with conservative
politicians.

But, I am wasting my time.

I agree!

On 6/30/2012 9:25 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

But, I am wasting my time.

You saying "The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all" sure as hell is a waste of everybody's time.
It's a dishonest statement when you don't mean it.
And if you mean it, lay out how to do it.
You won't, because you can't


Let's stop right here and cut your insane bull****. What makes you think
one man can come up with a plan that is both affordable to all and
equitable? It's been tried by One reason Congress, presidents, and all
the bright people they surround themselves with can't do it is they are
playing a game of political football with their own best interests in
mind. Reasonable, Thinking people can't come to a consensus on what's
reasonable. You need to get back on your meds, Harry.


, because you've labeled yourself a
"conservative." It runs counter to American "conservative principles."
That's why they - and YOU - are so opposed to the PPACA.
Laying out a plan would only prove you're NOT a "conservative."
So just quit lying about it.
Reasonable, thinking people are tired of that "waste of time" bull****.
You wear the label you put on yourself.
That's how it is. It was your choice.
Accept the label, or change it.
But don't lie about it. You're old enough to know better.

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

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That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.
Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.
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And he probably whipped out his credit card! A lot of years ago, as we were
returning from a ski trip to Whistler, young 20 something is getting aboard
the airplane with a broken bone. Do not remember if leg or arm. She did
not have the money to pay the Canadian hospital to have it set. So no
service. If we did that our costs would be greatly lowered and there would
be a huge outcry about our heartlessness. I am just home from a trip to the
hospital for clumsiness. Fell off the roof fixing the solar. Ladder
slipped. They did not ask for any insurance info before the trauma team
started working on me. In ICU The next bed had a welfare patient and the
other side had a non English speaking man. Don't know if he had insurance.
So we treat everybody that shows up, No difference in care. As to making
healthcare affordable. How? Did not increase the number of doctors or
beds. My complaint on Roberts ruling is he sidestepped the issues. Just
saying the act is a tax. Geese?

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
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In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Then both of you fools should give up your Medicare.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling?
Amazing how folks can flap their lips thinking nobody can recognize
gibberish.


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I pay a lot for my Medicare. Maybe the health care act should be based on
your income. That is what Medicare does.

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.
Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.
-------------------------------------------
And he probably whipped out his credit card! A lot of years ago, as we were
returning from a ski trip to Whistler, young 20 something is getting aboard
the airplane with a broken bone. Do not remember if leg or arm. She did
not have the money to pay the Canadian hospital to have it set. So no
service. If we did that our costs would be greatly lowered and there would
be a huge outcry about our heartlessness. I am just home from a trip to the
hospital for clumsiness. Fell off the roof fixing the solar. Ladder
slipped. They did not ask for any insurance info before the trauma team
started working on me. In ICU The next bed had a welfare patient and the
other side had a non English speaking man. Don't know if he had insurance.
So we treat everybody that shows up, No difference in care. As to making
healthcare affordable. How? Did not increase the number of doctors or
beds. My complaint on Roberts ruling is he sidestepped the issues. Just
saying the act is a tax. Geese?

Nope. Not a dime was exchanged.

In article m,
says...

On 6/30/2012 9:25 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

But, I am wasting my time.

You saying "The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all" sure as hell is a waste of everybody's time.
It's a dishonest statement when you don't mean it.
And if you mean it, lay out how to do it.
You won't, because you can't


Let's stop right here and cut your insane bull****. What makes you think
one man can come up with a plan that is both affordable to all and
equitable?

More bull**** from the peanut gallery.
If his "conservative" pals in Congress had such a plan, they would
publicize it. That don't have a plan. They resist, stall and otherwise
bulljive - because they DON'T ****ING BELIEVE in "health care affordable
for all." That's NOT a conservative principle.
"Equitable" is just another bull**** excuse. Life ain't fair, or
"equitable." Never will be. Everybody over 6 years old knows that.
"Equitable" is just a word for gov tit-suckers like you to justify your
SS and Medicare. That's "equitable." Anybody else feeding on the gov
tit? Not equitable. You ain't fooling anybody, socialist.
You're no better than the lame pols saying what they don't mean, or
Eisboch calling himself a "conservative" and saying it's "admirable" to
have "health care affordable for all" in one breath.
Just plain old contradictory bull****.
And you're full of **** too.
Quit ****ing lying. Low-life liars are not wanted here.
Not by honest people anyway. It's ok to circle-jerk with Justwait.
I won't notice. I'm back to ignoring both of you.