On 6/29/2012 12:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

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I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Whoa, where did you get the idea it takes skills to be in a union?
Mikek

On 6/30/2012 12:34 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...

In article om, 5@
5.com says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't
mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Then both of you fools should give up your Medicare.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling?
Amazing how folks can flap their lips thinking nobody can recognize
gibberish.


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I pay a lot for my Medicare. Maybe the health care act should be based
on your income. That is what Medicare does.

Some of those liberal doofuses don't know the difference between
government handouts and paid for insurance programs.

On 6/30/2012 1:17 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article m,
says...

On 6/30/2012 9:25 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

But, I am wasting my time.

You saying "The intent is admirable .... to make health care affordable
for all" sure as hell is a waste of everybody's time.
It's a dishonest statement when you don't mean it.
And if you mean it, lay out how to do it.
You won't, because you can't


Let's stop right here and cut your insane bull****. What makes you think
one man can come up with a plan that is both affordable to all and
equitable?

More bull**** from the peanut gallery.
If his "conservative" pals in Congress had such a plan, they would
publicize it. That don't have a plan. They resist, stall and otherwise
bulljive - because they DON'T ****ING BELIEVE in "health care affordable
for all." That's NOT a conservative principle.
"Equitable" is just another bull**** excuse. Life ain't fair, or
"equitable." Never will be. Everybody over 6 years old knows that.
"Equitable" is just a word for gov tit-suckers like you to justify your
SS and Medicare. That's "equitable." Anybody else feeding on the gov
tit? Not equitable. You ain't fooling anybody, socialist.
You're no better than the lame pols saying what they don't mean, or
Eisboch calling himself a "conservative" and saying it's "admirable" to
have "health care affordable for all" in one breath.
Just plain old contradictory bull****.
And you're full of **** too.
Quit ****ing lying. Low-life liars are not wanted here.
Not by honest people anyway. It's ok to circle-jerk with Justwait.
I won't notice. I'm back to ignoring both of you.


So be it, you ignorant fool.

On 6/30/2012 2:37 PM, amdx wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:10 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/29/12 12:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't
mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


Well, to start with a lot of those high value health plan holders
(unions) who have been exempted from the taxes on their benefits.


If only you had the skills to be in a union and have decent health care
insurance, eh?

Whoa, where did you get the idea it takes skills to be in a union?
Mikek

Please don't think Harry has ideas. He's a parrot.

On 6/29/2012 12:12 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@
5.com says...

On 6/29/2012 12:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:23:31 -0400, X `
wrote:

Where is the carefully researched and thought out Republican plan to
overhaul our system of paying for health care, and by that I don't mean
the repeal of Medicare.

===

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?


My name is Oscar and I approve this message

Then both of you fools should give up your Medicare.
Who the hell do you think you're fooling?
Amazing how folks can flap their lips thinking nobody can recognize
gibberish.

If they weren't forced to pay into it for 45 years that would be easy.
Mikek

On Jun 29, 8:29*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


But, *I am wasting my time.


Richard, I was wondering when you'd find something more constructive
to do...

On Jun 30, 1:24*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" *wrote in message

...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, *how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

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That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.
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And he probably whipped out his credit card! *A lot of years ago, as we were
returning from a ski trip to Whistler, young 20 something is getting aboard
the airplane with a broken bone. *Do not remember if leg or arm. *She did
not have the money to pay the Canadian hospital to have it set. *So no
service. *If we did that our costs would be greatly lowered and there would
be a huge outcry about our heartlessness. *I am just home from a trip to the
hospital for clumsiness. *Fell off the roof fixing the solar. *Ladder
slipped. *They did not ask for any insurance info before the trauma team
started working on me. *In ICU The next bed had a welfare patient and the
other side had a non English speaking man. *Don't know if he had insurance.
So we treat everybody that shows up, No difference in care. *As to making
healthcare affordable. *How? *Did not increase the number of doctors or
beds. *My complaint on Roberts ruling is he sidestepped the issues. *Just
saying the act is a tax. *Geese?

"whipped out his credit card"??
You must be talking about the early 60s.
In this province the wait for things like knee and hip replacement can
be slow... But normal health issues usually get same day service
depending on the severity the problem.

On 6/30/2012 4:34 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 30, 1:24 pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message

...

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:28:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

If enough people opt out and simply pay the 1% tax, how can this
system possibly work?

What am I missing?

The solution to the money problem is rationing. Welcome to the queue.

===

That's how it is in Canada - 2 and 3 month waits to treat conditions
that are not considered life threatening, things like dislocated
shoulders for example.

Those are the extremes, not the norm. I was in Canada a few years back,
camping in Algonquin and my friend split his toe open. Went to a local
hospital and was in and out in 30 min.
-------------------------------------------
And he probably whipped out his credit card! A lot of years ago, as we were
returning from a ski trip to Whistler, young 20 something is getting aboard
the airplane with a broken bone. Do not remember if leg or arm. She did
not have the money to pay the Canadian hospital to have it set. So no
service. If we did that our costs would be greatly lowered and there would
be a huge outcry about our heartlessness. I am just home from a trip to the
hospital for clumsiness. Fell off the roof fixing the solar. Ladder
slipped. They did not ask for any insurance info before the trauma team
started working on me. In ICU The next bed had a welfare patient and the
other side had a non English speaking man. Don't know if he had insurance.
So we treat everybody that shows up, No difference in care. As to making
healthcare affordable. How? Did not increase the number of doctors or
beds. My complaint on Roberts ruling is he sidestepped the issues. Just
saying the act is a tax. Geese?

"whipped out his credit card"??
You must be talking about the early 60s.
In this province the wait for things like knee and hip replacement can
be slow... But normal health issues usually get same day service
depending on the severity the problem.

So how much longer will you have to wait for that brain transplant?

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jun 29, 8:29*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


But, *I am wasting my time.


Richard, I was wondering when you'd find something more constructive
to do...

Ayup!

Speaking of constructive, I start my guitar lessons on Tuesday. Did you see my post Chile
w/turkey. Stuff is pretty good.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 29, 8:29*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:


But, *I am wasting my time.


Richard, I was wondering when you'd find something more constructive
to do...

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Because he is a reasonable guy, he just can't help but try to inject a
voice of reason into this group once in a while. I applaud the
effort. We need more of it.