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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

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I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.

I might be exaggerating a bit but I heard that 90 to 95% of the take
from most major charities gets paid out in advertizing, ADMINISTRATIVE
salaries, campaign contributions etc. They might collect in the name of
one disaster relief and use the funds for something else.

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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.

Too bad O'Bamacare won't be able to make the same claim. Here's hoping
you suck the union's teat for a long long time in a nursing home without
computer privileges.

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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.


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You a bricklayer?
From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical
notices from the government.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html

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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.

I might be exaggerating a bit but I heard that 90 to 95% of the take
from most major charities gets paid out in advertizing, ADMINISTRATIVE
salaries, campaign contributions etc. They might collect in the name of
one disaster relief and use the funds for something else.


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You are way over on the amount for major charities. Lots of small ones are
like your 90-95%. There are some rating agencies on the web. I personally
do not like the Red Cross for a number of reasons, but do support the
Salvation Army, as it was both my mom's favorite and I see a lot of good
done for the buck.

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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit
insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.


Many of the big unions got waivers... They won't give up anything
themselves, they expect that if everyone else does, it won't matter and
nobody will notice... I see these kind of people all the time out in
the
real world. Park where they want, do what they want, think the rules
are
great as long as everybody else follows them...

I suppose you have some evidence of that? Oh, wait, of course not. The
union waivers thing is just another of your insane rants that has no
truth to it what so ever.
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Unions were given waivers.


He either knows that and is lying, doesn't know because he doesn't
really care beyond the argument which I guess to be the case...

You stupid fool! SOME unions got waivers, but just like FOX you present
**** here like ALL unions got waivers. That's lying.
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BUT the majority of waivers were to unions. Maybe some unions do not have
good health plans.

On 7/4/12 6:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
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"X ` Man" wrote in message
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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.


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You a bricklayer?
From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got
critical notices from the government.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html




No, Bilious, I am not a bricklayer or a member of that union. However,
in this Bush-Administration economic times, a lot of union pension funds
have had to make adjustments in contributions and retirement ages.
My local, fortunately, hasn't had high unemployment.

On 7/4/2012 6:27 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/4/12 6:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter
are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and
charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.


------------------------------------------------------------------
You a bricklayer?
From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got
critical notices from the government.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html




No, Bilious, I am not a bricklayer or a member of that union. However,
in this Bush-Administration economic times, a lot of union pension funds
have had to make adjustments in contributions and retirement ages.
My local, fortunately, hasn't had high unemployment.

Basketweaving in Charleston is having a tough time passing down the art
to the younger generation. That has to hurt your weavers union in MD.

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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.


------------------------------------------------------------------
You a bricklayer?
From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical
notices from the government.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html

I clicked on the first notice for the Bricklayers and they are in a
"Critical Status" which means the pension fund is at risk.

On 7/5/2012 7:42 AM, BAR wrote:
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On 7/3/12 10:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
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"X ` Man" wrote in message
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My wife is on a professional panel and tells me about the horror
stories
she hears every week of the difficulties people have getting their
health insurance companies to approve needed procedures or treatments
or
medications, and also the challenges practitioners have handling all
the
paperwork the insurance companies require, the difficulties in
reaching
responsible, working brain people at insurance companies and the
refusal
of insurance companies to open panels to admit more practitioners so
six
month to a year waiting periods can be cut down.

We really need to find a way to get away from the for-profit insurance
company model. They are the biggest part of the medical delivery of
services challenge.

----------------------

I agree.

--------------------------------------------------
I guess Xman is ready to cast aside his Union paid insurance. The
for-profit insurance that he raves about.



Sorry, bozo, but our local's insurance administrator and underwriter are
not-for-profit organizations.
----------------------------------------
So is the Red Cross. They pay the head a 1/2 million a year and charter
private jets to go to disasters. they waste the **** out of funds
collected.


So?
-----------------------
another non-profit group.


So, in your pea-sized brain, *all* non-profits pay their CEO's a half
million dollars a year and charter private jets? Is that an example of
your mental processing?

I served two terms on my local union's pension and welfare board of
advisers. We ran a tight ship and so did our administrators. And, unlike
many corporate pension plans, we had and have *NO* unfunded or
underfunded liabilities. Every eligible member gets and will get his
full pension.


------------------------------------------------------------------
You a bricklayer?
From a right wing site ;) look at the number of unions that got critical
notices from the government.
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/criticalstatusnotices.html

I clicked on the first notice for the Bricklayers and they are in a
"Critical Status" which means the pension fund is at risk.


She's been getting crappy annual increases. Betcha the union is teetering.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 09:19:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/3/12 9:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of
extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough
call. Perhaps they should compete.


=====

Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done
a good job for us with only minimal quibbling.

That's just bull****, Wayne. Really. The for-profit health insurance
companies are scalping us every single day. The only thing they care
about is maximizing their profit. It's time to come up with better
solutions.

===

Like I said, maybe we've been fortunate. Personally I'd rather have
a choice (and an entity that could be sued) rather than some mindless
government bureacracy.