On 7/3/2012 6:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of
extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough
call. Perhaps they should compete.


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Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done
a good job for us with only minimal quibbling.

When/if the government gets in the business there will be no
competiion at all, and no legal recourse.


So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/3/2012 6:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of
extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough
call. Perhaps they should compete.


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Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done
a good job for us with only minimal quibbling.

When/if the government gets in the business there will be no
competiion at all, and no legal recourse.


So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

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Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on the
dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care system will
be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

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Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

In article , lid says...

On 7/3/2012 6:10 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:30:38 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 6/29/2012 9:56 AM, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for everyone but I think there are many who do
not view health care as a proper role for the federal government. I
also think there are many who view most of the federal bureauacracy as
being incompetent, self serving and self perpetuating. Who would
want such an organization to be responsible for their health care?

As opposed to bureaucratic corporations that have done a good job of
extracting profit but not so good at delivering health care...? Tough
call. Perhaps they should compete.


=====

Maybe we've been forunate but our health insurance companies have done
a good job for us with only minimal quibbling.

When/if the government gets in the business there will be no
competiion at all, and no legal recourse.


So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

Yes

In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

On 7/6/2012 1:36 AM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html




That's Harry's argument. Are you one of his sock puppets?

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html



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What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn meniscus.
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...&topic=38131.0

On Jul 6, 11:04*am, "Califbill" wrote:
"thumper" *wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" *wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? *If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. *Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? *Are they smarter than us? *Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

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What better results? *Long waits for less than critical care? *Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? *I tore my meniscus a couple
years ago. *took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. *How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. *and where is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent.

On 7/6/2012 10:04 AM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html



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What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery.
How long would that take in most of those better health care countries.
and where is most of the money actually coming from and how much is
actually being spent. Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more
a gallon then in the USA. Most of that went to funding healthcare from
what I understand. Is that included in your healthcare costs? I spent
a couple days in the trauma Center / ICU last week after falling off a
ladder. Highland Hospital, Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the
doctors and nurses were foreign born. They are getting their degrees
overseas and coming here, so they can make some money after years of
school and then a couple years of internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn meniscus.
http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...&topic=38131.0





I understand that is a painful injury. I would be happy to find
comfortable accommodations In The US for any of our Canadian rec.boats
friends who want surgery on a more timely basis than they can expect in
Canada.

On 7/6/2012 10:36 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.

Ahhh spirits. You are very familiar with spirits.