On 7/7/12 8:59 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 9:00 am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:









On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to 2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!

Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter
buddies on you.

Snotties insanity seems to be contagious



We could call it...the "Snotties."

In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries
to define it in general terms it is biased with their view.

I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you
live with "well" being defined as what you value most.

On 7/7/2012 10:54 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries
to define it in general terms it is biased with their view.

I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you
live with "well" being defined as what you value most.

Harry and a few of his friends have run out of "quality". They're aiming
for "quantity" now.

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92
of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years.
Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess
spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend,
Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent
$63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the
far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just
make them comfortable.

I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality
of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the
question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health
care system if not by longevity.
------------------------------
My opinion would be how healthy are the people for their age. The last time
I was at Disneyland I was stupefied by the amount of morbidly obese people.
Morbidly obese parents with close to morbidly obese children. If you are
not going to teach people to not kill themselves with fat, why worry about
their longevity? If they do know about the health risks, then do the
minimum for health maintenance for them on our dollar if they can not at
least help themselves to better diet.

"North Star" wrote in message
...

On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:









"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even
more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How
long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and
where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can
make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to
2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!
------------------------------
Snerk my ass. You are pretty dam stupid, and your posts show it.

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 7/7/12 7:44 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jul 7, 3:02 am, "Califbill" wrote:
"North Star" wrote in message

...

On Jul 6, 11:04 am, "Califbill" wrote:









"thumper" wrote in ...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:

"thumper" wrote in ...
So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--------------------------------------------------------------
What better results? Long waits for less than critical care? Lack of
doctors as they are leaving to get better pay? I tore my meniscus a
couple
years ago. took about a week to get the MRI, and in to surgery. How
long
would that take in most of those better health care countries. and
where
is
most of the money actually coming from and how much is actually being
spent.
Last time I was in Europe, 2001, gas was $1-2 more a gallon then in the
USA.
Most of that went to funding healthcare from what I understand. Is that
included in your healthcare costs? I spent a couple days in the trauma
Center / ICU last week after falling off a ladder. Highland Hospital,
Oakland, CA. A big percentage of the doctors and nurses were foreign
born.
They are getting their degrees overseas and coming here, so they can
make
some money after years of school and then a couple years of
internship/residency.
Interesting website on torn
meniscus.http://www.kneeguru.co.uk/KNEEtalk/i...4bdc93286ebc4b...

You really do seem to be 'accident prone'.
Might I suggest laying off the spirits when there's work to be done.
--------------------------
You continue to show you are a stupid idiot!!!!!!!! Where do you a poor
assed civil servant retiree in Canada that has a piece of **** house that
takes a couple years to paint and an alcoholic MMA son, who drinks your
beer. I drink so little, that you daily consumption is probably equal to
2
months of anything I consume. Just about every post you follow up
Harry's
post with a suckup comment. You are too stupid to comment.

My, my! I seem to have hit the nerve bang on.
Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. SNERK!



Wow. Bilious Bill is "going Ingersoll"! Next, he'll sic his motorscooter
buddies on you.
-------------------------------------------------
Nope, just stating facts.

"BAR" wrote in message ...

In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even
more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at
less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries
to define it in general terms it is biased with their view.

I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you
live with "well" being defined as what you value most.
-----------------------------------
I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being
healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his
quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are
materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life.

In article ,
says...

"thumper" wrote in message ...

On 7/6/2012 11:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

------------------------------------
Longevity is not quality of life. My mother had quality of life for 92
of her 96 years. My dad had quality of life for 62 of his 68 years.
Bone Cancer killed my dad. A very bad way to go. I see a lot of excess
spending on extending life for a very short time. My mom's best friend,
Betty, had Congestive Heart Failure. 94 years old, and they spent
$63,000 to extend her life 1 week. that is wrong. when someone is the
far gone, why spend excess money trying to cure the incurable? Just
make them comfortable.

I agree with you regarding excessive and expensive measures when quality
of life is gone (assisted suicide, 'death panels'[family]?) but the
question remains as to how you would quantify effectiveness of a health
care system if not by longevity.
------------------------------
My opinion would be how healthy are the people for their age. The last time
I was at Disneyland I was stupefied by the amount of morbidly obese people.
Morbidly obese parents with close to morbidly obese children. If you are
not going to teach people to not kill themselves with fat, why worry about
their longevity? If they do know about the health risks, then do the
minimum for health maintenance for them on our dollar if they can not at
least help themselves to better diet.

This is why people should pay for their own health care and not have it
funded from a pool of money extracted their neighbors wallets.

Why should I have to pay to rescue someone who is lost climbing a
mountain. They should bear the cost of their own rescue.

In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message ...

In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even
more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at
less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries
to define it in general terms it is biased with their view.

I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you
live with "well" being defined as what you value most.
-----------------------------------
I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being
healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his
quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are
materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life.

You are determining Harry's quality of life based upon your biases.

Harry may believe that he has a great quality of life. He has a woman
who is supporting him which enables him to write posts to USENET all day
long from his basement.

On 7/7/12 3:14 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"BAR" wrote in message ...

In article , lid says...

On 7/6/2012 4:10 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/5/2012 8:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
"thumper" wrote in message ...

So you were happy with the status quo? If you are wealthy you always
have alternatives.

-----------------------------------------------------
Look at the rest of government programs. Way over budget, 40 cents on
the dollar being barrowed and you think government run health care
system will be an improvement?

status quo may be screwed, but why screw it up, most likely, even
more?

How do you explain numerous other nations getting better results at
less
cost? Are they smarter than us? Have more integrity?

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

Better results? What are these better results you talk about. If I have
a problem I can go to a doctor today, be seen, diagnosed and prescribed
a method to wellness.

Will that be the case when the government is running health care.

Be careful that you don't substitute longevity for quality of life.

How would you quantify quality of life? Shorter lifespan is somehow
better? As I said, If you are wealthy you always have alternatives.

Quality of life is determined by each individual. When one person tries
to define it in general terms it is biased with their view.

I do not view quality of life as how long you live. It is how well you
live with "well" being defined as what you value most.
-----------------------------------
I define it a little different than you. True quality of life is being
healthy and not trashing those around you. Even if Harry is healthy, his
quality of life sucks. Quality of life is not really now rich you are
materially. And quantity of life is not quality of life.

You are determining Harry's quality of life based upon your biases.

Harry may believe that he has a great quality of life. He has a woman
who is supporting him which enables him to write posts to USENET all day
long from his basement.






Poor Bertie. No education, no skills, an "at-will" job he'll lose sooner
or later.